Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[bluepete]

"Well I disagree, I don't think Wlad would've overpowered him at 230 at all"

You would be wrong and ignorant to not notice how well trained Klitchko was for this fight ! Certainly Joshuas physical girth prevented Klitchko from using long period clinching .

Whyte caught Joshua coming in on blind spot ....,this doubles the power in itself besides not seeing a left field hook . Both guys are over 240 so im not sure what significance this shows other than a bigger Joshuas more durability .

Wlad NOT being an inside fighter and technical punching to Bowes looping ones would also have nothing to do with nothing .If you knew Bowe you would than know his lazy work ethic (i do and knew of it long before anyone on here bc my uncle trained him briefly in PAL GG at as young teen and everything he said came true ) Now you still want to play this game ?

Im not even sure where your going here ,your all over the place .

The simple fact is no one who TRULY understands combat would tell you weight doesnt matter or become an advantage more than a disadvantage (talking logically )....weight classes were CREATED bc of this .....END OF DISCUSSION .

M.Tyson hit hrder at 215/220 bc he was 5'10 and had SPEED in a tank like frame which also gave accurate punches . When you add SPEED /ACCURACY/TECHNIQUE and have mass behind it , it makes a punch that harder.

Another point that should not be this hard to figure out .

Are we talking about Wlad clinching him or overpowering him? I'm talking about Wlad fights at range and Bowe moved in on fighters, including tall ones like Joshua, used he's weight to move them around, hit them to the body and worked then with uppercuts.He way he overpowered Gonzalez for instance. Yeah Wlads weight helps him lean on you but that wouldn't have prevented Joshua scoring from the outside, it didn't stop others men from dropping him. I know Bowe squandered he's talent, it doesn't mean when he was at he's best he didn't work you over, inside better than almost any tall heavyweight ever. You know some from the gym with him,but I know someone, Herbie Hide who got bashed up by him. But I guess my point was being so heavy for Wlad wasnt so important for a tall guy like Joshua since Wlad doesn't punish the body or work inside at all. Therefore the girth was relatively unimportant in the context of this fight. Had it been a mauling Bowe, who holds you with the left and whacks you with the right I could see it. Your point about Tyson is exactly right. I absolutely agree with the factors that make a lighter guy a hard puncher. I've spent half this thread explaining how accuracy makes punchers too. Haye and Wilder have speed too.Funny enough, the man that stopped Joshua is very similar. They call him the Romanian Tyson.

[bluepete]

I guarantee my guys hit harder than them ,and i hit harder than they do . I dont follow MT ,i do know the guy standing next to me who is 200 pounds now is as good as good as Phil Nurse in skills ...look that name up

Yes i was talking about Kicks vs my punches . I trained with WORLD class caliber ,Manuwa is not WORLD class hes decent power big athlete . Rest assured i never fought or grappled anyone who didn't tell me i wasnt the strongest if not p4p the strongest they met .

O.K enough of the pissing contest for now ....im out .lol

I promise you nobody you know punches harder than Jimi kicks. To say that he's not world class is a joke. He's a top five light heavy, and maybe the number one striker at that weight in the world. And Dinos shin against your fist, well, I know you don't follow Muay Thai now lol. That's as silly as statement as anyone has made on this thread and that's saying something. Number two is Manuwa isn't world class Have a day off..

[Josh knight]

Lol no way Joshua wins

[juggernaut666]

I promise you nobody you know punches harder than Jimi kicks. To say that he's not world class is a joke. He's a top five light heavy, and maybe the number one striker at that weight in the world. And Dinos shin against your fist, well, I know you don't follow Muay Thai now lol. That's as silly as statement as anyone has made on this thread and that's saying something. Number two is Manuwa isn't world class Have a day off..

What titles has Minuwa won in MT ? Why doesnt his MMA record reflect his superiority ? No hes NOT WORLD class in any singular art which you are again deflecting . I DO know the likes of PHIL NURSE and my friend beside me are LEVELS over anyone in MT you ever seen,i dont need to follow MT to understand that.

Im pretty sure ive been around dozens of guys including my own martial arts lineage guys (some even got inducted to the halll of fame when such as even Muhammed Ali was awarded one in 2015 for boxing achievements ,you can look that up ...MARTAL ARTS HALL OF FAME with Cythia Rothrock...i WAS there and it wasnt a public eveht) who have significant more power kicks .

You are off your rocker if you think Minuwa would show me anything i havent seen before !

[bluepete]

What titles has Minuwa won in MT ? Why doesnt his MMA record reflect his superiority ? No hes NOT WORLD class in any singular art which you are again deflecting . I DO know the likes of PHIL NURSE and my friend beside me are LEVELS over anyone in MT you ever seen,i dont need to follow MT to understand that.

Im pretty sure ive been around dozens of guys including my own martial arts lineage guys (some even got inducted to the hall of fame when such as evenMuhammed Ali was awarded one in 2015 for boxing achievements ,you can look that up ...MARTAL ARTS HALL OF FAME with Cythia Rothrock...i WAS there ) who have significant more power kicks .

You are off your rocker if you think Minuwa would show me anything i havent seen before !

You said Jimi wasn't world class. He's sport is MMA. He's top five at he's weight and arguably the best striker. Thats world class. You do realise there are alot of K1 fighter in the UFC? You do realise that this gym is full of Muay Thai fighters? You don't know who the Keddles are do you? The son, Kieren, was a pro Muay Thai fighter whos gym claimed 5 World titles in it first year. You know he is a former Muay Thai champion and has coached at least 12 world champions. Still wanna guarantee you punch harder than these guys kick? Levels above anyone I've ever seen? Hahaha . Seriously deluded.

[juggernaut666]

You said Jimi wasn't world class. He's sport is MMA. He's top five at he's weight and arguably the best striker. Thats world class. You do realise there are alot of K1 fighter in the UFC? You do realise that this gym is full of Muay Thai fighters? You don't know who the Keddles are do you? The son, Kieren, was a pro Muay Thai fighter whos gym claimed 5 World titles in it first year. You know he is a former Muay Thai champion and has coached at least 12 world champions. Still wanna guarantee you punch harder than these guys kick? Levels above anyone I've ever seen? Hahaha . Seriously deluded.

WORLD class means you have a title to show for your art or top status ranked .

MMA is not an art its a sport which consists of different arts in one .

So again NO Minuwa is not world class at anything particular .

You can say what i cant and cant do ,its again irrelevant to me.

Anyone who looks up guys who are actually PROVEN MT guys for decades that i have trained with would know whsts what ,go ahead whisper PHIL NURSE at your gym and we'll see whats what . Have you ever held a UFC 1 contract ? I have bc imy guy was good enough to represent his art in that set up back then out of everyone including Dennis Alexio so you can talk all the b.s you want .

As far as deluded ? lol .....No that started with your first post . I think were done here .......lol !

[Mr Objecitivity]

You miss the point every time. The fact that it's the way to divide boxers into categories doesn't mean weight is the main factor in stopping someome or being stopped. Size is. And with size tends to come weight. This doesnt mean adding more weight adds more power or chin. Stoppages often don't come down to power anyway. They come from being hit too often. Lack of being stopped isn't always due to chin. Mostly, it's due to not being hit. Both of these are aided by size. The fact that Julius Long has been knocked out proves my point better than it does yours. A massive man like him, should have a great chin, according to your theory. But he had a bad defense. He was stopped early by someone I actually know in Audley Harrison, who was never a big puncher, but hit Long accurately and got him out. Valuev had a better defence than Long, better skills. And a better chin, I'm not saying a big man can't have a great chin. But as Long proves, it's not weight equals chin. Now you were the one comparing Valuev to Holyfield chin for chin and saying Valuevs was better. But one took on Lewis twice Bowe three times, Moorer twice, Foreman, Tyson the list goes one. Valuevs best opponent was Haye. If you can't see the difference in calibre between the quality of opposition then that's your problem. This, again Mr TV repair man, is why a man who only looks at figures on pieces of paper doesn't know as much about boxing as the people in boxing. You miss the whole human side of it. As for personal attacks, I don't remember attacking you. Were not face to face and nobody is getting hurt. I'm not offended that you have your opinion and think that because the numbers tell you bigger tends to get stopped less and stop others more then even bigger, in the only way you can get bigger, gaining weight, is even better. I don't get offended when you talk about toddlers and spelling and other irrelevant rubbish. Ive given my theory in regards to chin. I haven't seen one from you. There's a big discrepancy between men of the same weight in how well they take punches, that, if it's weight that's the main factor, shouldn't be there. So what's the difference between these people? As someone who now takes punches in sparring as a hobby but still with trains fighters I'd love to know..

1) Well what is the 'main factor' for having weight divisions in the first place then if not for it being the main factor for the likelihood of knocking out an opponent and not being knocked out in return for the heavier boxer? In addition, why are there multiple examples of multiple boxers having a CAREER lower KO percentage against heavier opponents than against lighter opponents?

2)

Size is. And with size tends to come weight.

What's that supposed to mean?

3) If we REMOVE the word 'power' with the word 'KNOCKOUT CAPABILITIES', then my argument still stands, which is that the likelihood of a boxer knocking out heavier opposition will be lower than against lighter opposition. Whether it's 'power', or whether it's mystical 'OTHER FACTORS', my argument still stands, Which is that heavier boxers NORMALLY will have the better punch resistance and KNOCKOUT CAPABILITIES (replacing the word 'power') than lighter boxers.

4) Like with the word 'power', if we replace the word 'chin' with the word 'KNOCKOUT RESISTANCE', then my argument still stands, which is that heavier boxers will NORMALLY be less likely to get knocked out than lighter boxers.

At this point, it appears you're just playing around with semantics.

5) Julius Long getting knocked out proves that being TALL doesn't make you as resistant to getting knocked out as you have been claiming all along (making excuses for why Valuev has never been knocked out). Julius Long is naturally lighter than Nikolai Valuev but practically the exact same height.

6) My reason for comparing Holyfield to Valuev was to demonstrate that the best heaviest boxers with the greatest PUNCH RESISTANCE / KNOCKOUT RESISTANCE / CHIN have even better PUNCH RESISTANCE / KNOCKOUT RESISTANCE / CHIN than the best lightest boxers with the best PUNCH RESISTANCE / KNOCKOUT RESISTANCE / CHIN and my point is evidently true.

7) David Haye has a better knockout record at modern heavyweight than anybody Evander Holyfield fought, except Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. With the exception of Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and perhaps George Foreman, the caliber of opposition both Holyfield and Valuev fought on average are comparable at heavyweight.

8) Criticizing my knowledge and profession is irrelevant. You're yet to actually offer a logically sound & valid rebuttal argument. Are there others who know more about boxing than me? ABSOLUTELY! However, does their claims automatically become true just because they claimed something without those claims being substantiated? ABSOLUTELY NOT!

9) Do you even know what an Ad Hominem (personal attack) is? Read this to learn about it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

I didn't claim you physically attacked me. You were verbally attacking my character / personality, which is a logical fallacy.

Seriously, you're seriously exposing basic lack of knowledge in logic that anybody with average intelligence should be aware of, including pre-teens.

Perhaps stay out of boxing for awhile and take some logic courses? That might be more important for your life.


10) You've given your 'theory' but they aren't substantiated. Thus, no objective individual has any reason to accept them. My arguments have been substantiated by evidence, statistics and logically laid out data.

11) When two boxers are the same weight, other factors come into play and that's when those other factors are significant. However, when two boxers weigh different, weight is more significant and those other factors become less significant. Hence, the purpose of having weight divisions.

I don't care what you accept. The evidence and science does not suggest that adding weight improves punch resistance. You are taking this from numbers that you see on paper, and numbers are misleading. No matter how many times you claim it, there is no mechanism for 20lb of belly flab to protect you from being concussed by a left hook to the head. The reason people in the game know this is we see plenty of experiments in giving and receiving punishment, including experiencing it ourselves. The reason people in the fight game know this is everything has been tried to improve punch resistance and punching power already. If it is the weight why the difference between men of the same weight? Btw, you may well have taken that comment back in your answer to another poster. But it's still a comment that proves youre out of your depth talking about actual boxing. You need to see a few punches thrown in reality to think a man like Tyson would be an annoyance to anyone of any size. And you need to see abit of sparring up close to think that being unable to handle a heavyweights power is the reason men under 200lb don't box heavyweights these days, even though we know they can do so and win. 200lb is not a magic number. James Toney wouldve beaten Ruiz at 193 just like Jones did. Just because the weight categories are what they are doesnt make a guys chin change with weight. No matter how many times you say it

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I don't care what you accept.

Then why are you making claims then in a public thread? It's not just me not accepting your unsubstantiated claims but any objective individual. Either you're making claims because you want others to accept your claims. Or, you're just doing it for the sake of it (in which case you've just exposed yourself indirectly as a troll).

2) The evidence (statistics) do suggest that weight improves punch resistance. Science also does. There's a thing called 'MOMENTUM'. If you knew what it was, you would know how it affects punch resistance and power. If you didn't, then perhaps research upon it.

3) ,

and numbers are misleading.

A typical reproach against my analyses is to shout "Stats! Stats! Stats! Your stats don't tell the whole story".

Well, fortunately for me "Stats! Stats! Stats!" are "Facts! Facts! Facts!" thus anyone complaining about statistics is complaining about reality ("Arithmetic is not an opinion").

It's true, that a statistic like "1 KO in 1 fight = 100% KO'ratio" is ridiculous but a record of 30, 40, 50 and more fights _IS_ representative. You _CAN_ deduct things from it. You _CAN_ interpret it correctly.

4) Me making the statement (paraphrasing) 'Mike Tyson will be a minor irritant' was something called 'OVER EXAGGERATION'. Ever heard of that word before?

Even if it was an error, if I've already accepted the error and am ready to move on, then why should there be any need for you to bring it up again? One mistake has no bearing on my other arguments (which aren't directly connected).

4) Sparring and REAL bouts are SIGNIFICANTLY different. As in, I don't need to see sparring to know acknowledge why heavyweights (200 pounders) aren't allowed to fight opponents weighing below 200 pounds. Sparring sessions have no bearing on why the heavyweight division exists and why 200 pounders at heavyweight aren't allowed to fight sub - heavyweights. 200 might not be a 'magic' number, but it is a very IMPORTANT and SIGNIFICANT number, just like numbers 175, 168, 160, 154 and 147 are. Hence, the rule makers decided to divide boxers by those weight values / numbers.

[Mr Objecitivity]

WORLD class means you have a title to show for your art or top status ranked .

MMA is not an art its a sport which consists of different arts in one .

So again NO Minuwa is not world class at anything particular .

You can say what i cant and cant do ,its again irrelevant to me.

Anyone who looks up guys who are actually PROVEN MT guys for decades that i have trained with would know whsts what ,go ahead whisper PHIL NURSE at your gym and we'll see whats what . Have you ever held a UFC 1 contract ? I have bc imy guy was good enough to represent his art in that set up back then out of everyone including Dennis Alexio so you can talk all the b.s you want .

As far as deluded ? lol .....No that started with your first post . I think were done here .......lol !

This user has practically self - admitted and self - exposed themselves as a troll (even if indirectly). Read through my previous response to learn why. It continues to get more and more hilarious.

[bluepete]

WORLD class means you have a title to show for your art or top status ranked .

MMA is not an art its a sport which consists of different arts in one .

So again NO Minuwa is not world class at anything particular .

You can say what i cant and cant do ,its again irrelevant to me.

Anyone who looks up guys who are actually PROVEN MT guys for decades that i have trained with would know whsts what ,go ahead whisper PHIL NURSE at your gym and we'll see whats what . Have you ever held a UFC 1 contract ? I have bc imy guy was good enough to represent his art in that set up back then out of everyone including Dennis Alexio so you can talk all the b.s you want .

As far as deluded ? lol .....No that started with your first post . I think were done here .......lol !

I never said anything about Phil Nurse that was negative. You were the one who claimed that nobody at this gym could hit like the guys at yours. Now you know that the people who own this gym train world champions at Muay Thai, and the coach is a former world champion, which even Phil, who is also from the UK cannot claim. I didnt sad Manuwa was world champion, he's a top five fighter and therefore world class. And as the top Muay Thai guys in the country are here, they attest to the fact that Jimi kicks as hard as many world champions. That is, harder than you punch. Harder than anyone punches. UFC 1? Wtf has that got to do with you punching harder than Jimi kicks. He's in the UFC right now! Go watch Idris Elba fighter, see the guy training him, that's Kieran Keddle. Former world champion, who's trained 12 World champions, many of them here. Now tell me you punch harder than these guys kick. And after, let me know what it is you smoke. You get your moneys worth.

[bluepete]

This user has practically self - admitted and self - exposed themselves as a troll (even if indirectly). Read through my previous response to learn why. It continues to get more and more hilarious.

I'm a Troll for having an opinion. Your buddy just claimed at 170 he hits harder than Wilder, and punches harder than Jimi Manuwa kicks. What do you think of that at the National office of statistics? Hahaha