Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[juggernaut666]

What I'm actually saying is yes size is an advantage. That's height reach and weight. Height and reach help because generally I can control punching range if I'm taller and longer yeah? So I can hit you when you cant hit me and more often all things being equal. So the guy getting hit more and landing less, if the difference gets too wide, often results in a stoppage. This isn't always due to power either. Now the bigger guys tend to be heavier. I'm 6 1, boxed at 175. Pretty lean. Most of the guys shorter than me, about 5 10 tend to be middles. The big men, 6 3, tend to be heavies. I know there are exceptions. So for me to box at heavy, in general, I'm at a disadvantage. Those men who are of that weight, in shape, tend to be 6 3 4 or even 5 and above. So I'm at a definite disadvantage in those fights. So I'm not going up there to a division where I'm boxing at a disadvantage. It's not the power because of their weight. I mean, yeah, some of them might have enough to knock me out. But that goes for the guys at my own weight. That's why I imagine there are weight divisions. I guess when guys are lean, you tend to have the same kind of dimensions. Not always. That don't mean the guy of 220 necessarily hits harder than the guy of 175, though he might depending on who it is. It also doesn't follow that by me adding 20lb, I hit any harder, or take a shot any better. Do you see what im saying?

I only see you are now not just contradicting in a minor way anymore ,you are now fully doing it with this post . This entire post sums up what YOU were saying wasnt true but now it is .

As for the last sentence ,almost any fighter at 175 6'1 who adds better dimensions for the height of at ileast 200/220 pounds is going to hit harder almost always . You yourself dont win over proven logic and examples .

Theirs a BIG differance getting hit by guys below 200 and guys over 220 .....theres a BIG differance getting hit by guys at 210 and over 225 on average . Sorry this is a FACT .


Weight classes WERE created bc of guys who could out last smaller skilled ones bc in general they absorb sustained punishment longer . FACT .

This would be at ANY weight , few examples that goes against that doesn't change logic even if god told you so . lol

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What I'm also saying, going back to how this started is that Joshua, a guy of 6 foot 6, in my opinion, doesn't necessarily have a chin advantage over the other men of similar height that Tyson fought, just because he's heavier and more muscular.Men like Green and Tucker, may have been lighter, but may well be more durable. I mean maybe not, but the fact hes 249 doesn't give him any edge in this department. If he has a better chin than them then it's be because he does. Same with power. Does he hit harder than Bruno, Bonecrusher, Ruddock? Maybe, but it isn't so because he had the weight on them. Well not Bruno. He was 247.I remember Joshua on superstars, he weighed 230 and I think he said he was 16 percent body fat. He was an amazing athlete. I think he weighed 230 on he's debut.Was it really necessary to add 19lbs. Maybe he thought it was. I know he went on a neck program because he thought it'd help him take shots. That I can see. Everyone does it. Anyway hope that's made my position clearer. You don't have to agree, that's life I guess.

Joshuas power increased with weight . This is obvious if you watched his fights MORE than once ALL of them....Im pretty sure ive seen them ALL no less than ten times bc i like knowing what im talking about (most ppl THINK they know )

Joshua didnt get knocked out by Klitchko at 250 ,he was TKO'd at around 230 in the ams by FAR less punchers (but power punchers ) !

My last response answers all this .

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I only see you are now not just contradicting in a minor way anymore ,you are now fully doing it with this post . This entire post sums up what YOU were saying wasnt true but now it is .

As for the last sentence ,almost any fighter at 175 6'1 who adds better dimensions for the height of at ileast 200/220 pounds is going to hit harder almost always . You yourself dont win over proven logic and examples .

Theirs a BIG differance getting hit by guys below 200 and guys over 220 .....theres a BIG differance getting hit by guys at 210 and over 225 on average . Sorry this is a FACT .


Weight classes WERE created bc of guys who could out last smaller skilled ones bc in general they absorb sustained punishment longer . FACT .

This would be at ANY weight , few examples that goes against that doesn't change logic even if god told you so . lol

So in terms of power you are saying that me being a good hitter at 175,by adding 20lbs would make me hit harder? I've been around enough and sparred people who have varied in weight when they've been close to a fight or out for a while and over the weight to know this isn't true. It's also not true of the guys who have changed divisions that I know of. Its also according to Evander Holyfield, not true of himself, who said adding the weight didn't make him hit any harder. You say there is a big difference between the power of men of 210 compared to men above 225 on average. This is not even the case in my own gym, where everyone who has shared a ring with 210lb Jimi Manuwa, an MMA fighter will happily tell you he hits harder than any heavyweight here, including Dillian Whyte, who spent most of he's drug suspension here. Its just not true in my experience. Now I'm not saying bigger men aren't more difficult in many ways. I'm saying that I've seen enough guys like Enzo Macrinelli knock out very well known and durable heavyweight title challengers in sparring to know there isn't this big gulf in power between smaller power punchers and the and larger ones. I'm not contradicting anything. Nobody who's bulked up with weights or fat that i know of has improved their chin. Nobody has substantially improved their punch either, and heavyweight has the best examples of this since if it's a guy from a lighter division moving up he might either be fat at the end of he's career or fighting bigger longer men,so the example has other factors that might be affecting it. So heavyweight is the best place for that discussion it seems to me. A heavier Haye didn't hit harder, he hit harder when he was smaller and sharper according to Booth. Both Bowe and Lewis at their heaviest, seemed to lose effectiveness (Golota 1,Rahnam 1, Klitschko ect) or Tyson when he was heavier than usual (Nielsen, even Lewis, Williams, Mcbride) although I will give you that some of those fights it was due to age and generally slowing down. However, it still didn't seem to translate into more durability or power. A heavier Bruno, aged 34, didn't seem to hit any harder or be any more durable against the same fighter when he was 2 stone heavier. Heavy Price seems to be the same but just less fit. By this logic about weight, 300lb Miller should be in a class of he's own for power. Did heavier Tua do any better against Rahnam the 2nd time. No, he only got a draw and floored for the first time in he's career. You are better at your natural weight, bulking up artificially, or eating too much and getting a spare tire doesn't nothing for either chin or power.

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Joshuas power increased with weight . This is obvious if you watched his fights MORE than once ALL of them....Im pretty sure ive seen them ALL no less than ten times bc i like knowing what im talking about (most ppl THINK they know )

Joshua didnt get knocked out by Klitchko at 250 ,he was TKO'd at around 230 in the ams by FAR less punchers (but power punchers ) !

My last response answers all this .

Do you know how much actual boxing work Tony Simms has put in with Joshua? The guy trained me and is a great trainer. Of course everything has improved since he was an amateur. Did you see the stoppage Joshua suffered in the amateurs? It wouldn't have been stopped like that in the pros. Nor is he's the same fighter in the pros. This is what I mean by seeing half a story.Joshau is from a weightlifting background anyway. So are alot of fighters. He might think it helps him. So did Bruno. Maybe in clinches, I'll give you that. He's just a more effective, more experienced, better fighter now than when he made he's debut. Don't you think he could've beat Wlad at 230? This is where we differ. It doesn't take a man of 250 to knock Wlad out, we know that much for sure.

[juggernaut666]

Do you know how much actual boxing work Tony Simms has put in with Joshua? The guy trained me and is a great trainer. Of course everything has improved since he was an amateur. Did you see the stoppage Joshua suffered in the amateurs? It wouldn't have been stopped like that in the pros. Nor is he's the same fighter in the pros. This is what I mean by seeing half a story.Joshau is from a weightlifting background anyway. So are alot of fighters. He might think it helps him. So did Bruno. Maybe in clinches, I'll give you that. He's just a more effective, more experienced, better fighter now than when he made he's debut. Don't you think he could've beat Wlad at 230? This is where we differ. It doesn't take a man of 250 to knock Wlad out, we know that much for sure.

"Don't you think he could've beat Wlad at 230?" At 18 fights ....NO. Wlad would have over powered him physically on the inside . Which is WHY he came in at 250 .

In a rematch he will come in slightly lighter with better grasp on how to fight Klitchko .

"It doesnt take a man of 250 to knock Klitchko out "

Nothing to do about nothing .

The same shot he took from the SAME guy would not have TKO'd him today wherehes very dazed JUST like Whytes HARDER punches didnt K.O him in an actual pro fight bc like it did in the ams bc he was put together more and when you have a WELL trained 240 plus guy WE all see the result with what Joshua has done so far .Wlad didnt just hit him once with one hard shot did he ? lol

Really this shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

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So in terms of power you are saying that me being a good hitter at 175,by adding 20lbs would make me hit harder? I've been around enough and sparred people who have varied in weight when they've been close to a fight or out for a while and over the weight to know this isn't true. It's also not true of the guys who have changed divisions that I know of. Its also according to Evander Holyfield, not true of himself, who said adding the weight didn't make him hit any harder. You say there is a big difference between the power of men of 210 compared to men above 225 on average. This is not even the case in my own gym, where everyone who has shared a ring with 210lb Jimi Manuwa, an MMA fighter will happily tell you he hits harder than any heavyweight here, including Dillian Whyte, who spent most of he's drug suspension here. Its just not true in my experience. Now I'm not saying bigger men aren't more difficult in many ways. I'm saying that I've seen enough guys like Enzo Macrinelli knock out very well known and durable heavyweight title challengers in sparring to know there isn't this big gulf in power between smaller power punchers and the and larger ones. I'm not contradicting anything. Nobody who's bulked up with weights or fat that i know of has improved their chin. Nobody has substantially improved their punch either, and heavyweight has the best examples of this since if it's a guy from a lighter division moving up he might either be fat at the end of he's career or fighting bigger longer men,so the example has other factors that might be affecting it. So heavyweight is the best place for that discussion it seems to me. A heavier Haye didn't hit harder, he hit harder when he was smaller and sharper according to Booth. Both Bowe and Lewis at their heaviest, seemed to lose effectiveness (Golota 1,Rahnam 1, Klitschko ect) or Tyson when he was heavier than usual (Nielsen, even Lewis, Williams, Mcbride) although I will give you that some of those fights it was due to age and generally slowing down. However, it still didn't seem to translate into more durability or power. A heavier Bruno, aged 34, didn't seem to hit any harder or be any more durable against the same fighter when he was 2 stone heavier. Heavy Price seems to be the same but just less fit. By this logic about weight, 300lb Miller should be in a class of he's own for power. Did heavier Tua do any better against Rahnam the 2nd time. No, he only got a draw and floored for the first time in he's career. You are better at your natural weight, bulking up artificially, or eating too much and getting a spare tire doesn't nothing for either chin or power.

Im 160/175 and hit harder than any HW at my gym ,some have even fought Wilder and tell me with 16 oz gloves i had heavier hands ...,see that short bald guy in my sig ? Thats the former world Muay Thai champion who has kicks harder thsn any punch youve seen ,who says my punches do more damage on the same bag we work on .

Youre trying to deflect reality with someone with well OVER 20 years in martial arts /boxing and MMA traing of various arts so good luck with that !

Guess what ? It means shyte bc it doesnt change anything ive been posting on here bc i MYSELF CANT bethe deciding factor suggesting size is unimportant and is not an advantage bc it STILL would be!

Continue on with your straw man angles bc thats all your doing here .

[bluepete]

"Don't you think he could've beat Wlad at 230?" At 18 fights ....NO. Wlad would have over powered him physically on the inside . Which is WHY he came in at 250 .

In a rematch he will come in slightly lighter with better grasp on how to fight Klitchko .

"It doesnt take a man of 250 to knock Klitchko out "

Nothing to do about nothing .

The same shot he took from the SAME guy would not have TKO'd him today wherehes very dazed JUST like Whytes HARDER punches didnt K.O him in an actual pro fight bc like it did in the ams bc he was put together more and when you have a WELL trained 240 plus guy WE all see the result with what Joshua has done so far .Wlad didnt just hit him once with one hard shot did he ? lol

Really this shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

Well I disagree, I don't think Wlad would've overpowered him at 230 at all, just like he didnt with so many men that weight. Wlad isn't dare I even say it to you, Rid**** Bowe, who smashed big guys on the inside with uppercuts.He have stayed at range like he did with Haye, hell, even with Chambers, and when Joshua caught him and knocked him down in the fifth he probably would've finished him off, like some light folks have, instead of spending the next 3 minutes so lactic than he ended up nearly getting done over himself. What I was saying about the amateur fight Joshua got stopped in was it was nowhere near how he looked in the middle of the Wlad fight, it just got stopped too soon because the silly amatuer game is like that. Do you know the fight he got knocked down with against Whyte was the fourth fight Joshua had ever had, Whyte was quite an experienced K1 fighter. Plus, again Josh got caught with a nice two punch combination on the chin, not just one left hook, had he caught Joshua with the same follow up right hand, who knows. Joshua didn't get KOd in that fight either. Inexperience causes at least some of these things, Chris Eubank was halted in 22 seconds in he's first fight. Nistor, who let's face it didn't exactly flatten Joshua, is a hard puncher by reputation in the amatuer game. He was a southpaw, and Joshua had no idea how to get out the way of that left. Who knows what Nistor could be? . If he actually hit Joshua now, not saying he's at the skill level, but as far as chins, if he hit Joshua with the same shots now you think he wouldn't stun him the same? Because he's a 16 stoner .16 stone southpaw have done giant young superheavies before. But I digress. I agree with you Joshua will be better if he comes in at 240 for the rematch this time. I don't just disagree with you for fun. It's just an opinion.

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Im 160/175 and hit harder than any HW at my gym ,some have even fought Wilder and tell me with 16 oz gloves i had heavier hands ...,see that short bald guy in my sig ? Thats the former world Muay Thai champion who has kicks harder thsn any punch youve seen ,who says my punches do more damage on the same bag we work on .

Youre trying to deflect reality with someone with well OVER 20 years in martial arts /boxing and MMA traing of various arts so good luck with that !

Guess what ? It means shyte bc it doesnt change anything ive been posting on here bc i MYSELF CANT bethe deciding factor suggesting size is unimportant and is not an advantage bc it STILL would be!

Continue on with your straw man angles bc thats all your doing here .

I wouldve thought your first paragraph proves what I said about power then. Im not bothered about your credentials, I'm telling you how I know weight doesn't equal power. I know kicks are harder than punches, if you know martial arts then I think you know who Jimi Manuwa is. If you know Muay Thai you know who Dino Mirigou is. I don't know if you were saying your punches are harder than a Muay Thai champions kicks? I promise you your punches, mine and anyone else on this site don't punch harder than Jimi Manuwa and Dino Mirigou kick. Remember, I shared a gym with Danny Williams, Henry Akinwande. I sparred Derek Angol on and off for years. 31 fights, 28 wins 24 KOs. British commonwealth cruiser champion,and definitely a puncher. I'm not jonny come lately off the street. That don't mean I think I know it all. But, just like Mike Tyson told Smithy," weight has nothing whatsoever relevance to how hard a guy hits, I've sparred 250lb men that couldnt break an egg, and a man like Tommy Hearns could kill you" . And I agree with him . I agree that size is important, but not weight in relation to punching power, as you, by your first paragraph, should know better than anyone then.

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Well I disagree, I don't think Wlad would've overpowered him at 230 at all, just like he didnt with so many men that weight. Wlad isn't dare I even say it to you, Rid**** Bowe, who smashed big guys on the inside with uppercuts.He have stayed at range like he did with Haye, hell, even with Chambers, and when Joshua caught him and knocked him down in the fifth he probably would've finished him off, like some light folks have, instead of spending the next 3 minutes so lactic than he ended up nearly getting done over himself. What I was saying about the amateur fight Joshua got stopped in was it was nowhere near how he looked in the middle of the Wlad fight, it just got stopped too soon because the silly amatuer game is like that. Do you know the fight he got knocked down with against Whyte was the fourth fight Joshua had ever had, Whyte was quite an experienced K1 fighter. Plus, again Josh got caught with a nice two punch combination on the chin, not just one left hook, had he caught Joshua with the same follow up right hand, who knows. Joshua didn't get KOd in that fight either. Inexperience causes at least some of these things, Chris Eubank was halted in 22 seconds in he's first fight. Nistor, who let's face it didn't exactly flatten Joshua, is a hard puncher by reputation in the amatuer game. He was a southpaw, and Joshua had no idea how to get out the way of that left. Who knows what Nistor could be? . If he actually hit Joshua now, not saying he's at the skill level, but as far as chins, if he hit Joshua with the same shots now you think he wouldn't stun him the same? Because he's a 16 stoner .16 stone southpaw have done giant young superheavies before. But I digress. I agree with you Joshua will be better if he comes in at 240 for the rematch this time. I don't just disagree with you for fun. It's just an opinion.

"Well I disagree, I don't think Wlad would've overpowered him at 230 at all"

You would be wrong and ignorant to not notice how well trained Klitchko was for this fight ! Certainly Joshuas physical girth prevented Klitchko from using long period clinching .

Whyte caught Joshua coming in on blind spot ....,this doubles the power in itself besides not seeing a left field hook . Both guys are over 240 so im not sure what significance this shows other than a bigger Joshuas more durability .

Wlad NOT being an inside fighter and technical punching to Bowes looping ones would also have nothing to do with nothing .If you knew Bowe you would than know his lazy work ethic (i do and knew of it long before anyone on here bc my uncle trained him briefly in PAL GG at as young teen and everything he said came true ) Now you still want to play this game ?

Im not even sure where your going here ,your all over the place .

The simple fact is no one who TRULY understands combat would tell you weight doesnt matter or become an advantage more than a disadvantage (talking logically )....weight classes were CREATED bc of this .....END OF DISCUSSION .

M.Tyson hit hrder at 215/220 bc he was 5'10 and had SPEED in a tank like frame which also gave accurate punches . When you add SPEED /ACCURACY/TECHNIQUE and have mass behind it , it makes a punch that harder.

Another point that should not be this hard to figure out .

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I wouldve thought your first paragraph proves what I said about power then. Im not bothered about your credentials, I'm telling you how I know weight doesn't equal power. I know kicks are harder than punches, if you know martial arts then I think you know who Jimi Manuwa is. If you know Muay Thai you know who Dino Mirigou is. I don't know if you were saying your punches are harder than a Muay Thai champions kicks? I promise you your punches, mine and anyone else on this site don't punch harder than Jimi Manuwa and Dino Mirigou kick. Remember, I shared a gym with Danny Williams, Henry Akinwande. I sparred Derek Angol on and off for years. 31 fights, 28 wins 24 KOs. British commonwealth cruiser champion,and definitely a puncher. I'm not jonny come lately off the street. That don't mean I think I know it all. But, just like Mike Tyson told Smithy," weight has nothing whatsoever relevance to how hard a guy hits, I've sparred 250lb men that couldnt break an egg, and a man like Tommy Hearns could kill you" . And I agree with him . I agree that size is important, but not weight in relation to punching power, as you, by your first paragraph, should know better than anyone then.

I guarantee my guys hit harder than them ,and i hit harder than they do . I dont follow MT ,i do know the guy standing next to me who is 200 pounds now is as good as Phil Nurse in skills ...look that name up

Yes i was talking about Kicks vs my punches . I trained with WORLD class caliber ,Manuwa is not WORLD class hes decent power big athlete . Rest assured i never fought or grappled anyone who didn't tell me i wasnt the strongest if not p4p the strongest they met .

O.K enough of the pissing contest for now ....im out .lol