Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[bluepete]

You live in your own fantasy world ,everything you post has easily been disproved by me ,so continue onward to your ******ity . MOST wont actually bother with them because MOST ppl dont like to STRAIN when reading posts . Thats why PARAGRAPHS are helpful !

"People are talking about his weight but he was STRONGER ,FITTER , and was taking BETTER shots at around 275 . David was sturdier on his legs in ALL sparring sessions" David Coldwell,who you probably dont know who that is ! lol

Any experienced or logical person would know what Price suffers from and its not weight you tool !

Do you know how childish you sound? You haven't disproved anything. You have proved that you just plain tell fibs to make a point though. Still no mention of Lewis Golota. Still talking about paragraphs when you can't spell and you don't check facts. Now your telling me I don't know who Dave Coldwell is. Of course he's gonna talk he's fighter up. People were saying that Price should sack him. He's not likely to say what nonsense the whole weight gain episode was while he was overseeing it. Yeah, we all saw how fit and sturdy Price looked. He looked like he was having an asthma attack in the ring that night. He was so fatigued he couldn't stand up. Of course, youve got all your deflections and excuses. Meanwhile in the real world he looked like **** and folded like a deckchair. Solid as a rock. Massive improvement. Those legs were as sturdy as an oak tree. Shame it wasn't a weightlifting competition. Carry on..

[Mr Objecitivity]

You insult my answer then decide to reply to some of it two weeks later? You have some neck. The whole conversation started because I didn't see any advantage to having 20lb of flab hanging around your waist (Whyte) as far as power or chin is concerned. It makes no difference, apart from being a drain over the distance. I also questioned the validity of adding 20lb of muscle weight artificially in regards to improving chin or power. I gave some real life examples of fighters who have gained fat or muscle and how it hasn't helped them in either regard. I also pointed out that as far as heavyweights, there have been men of 225 who have had power as good as any bigger man and men of a similar size who have shown better chins than the superheavies.Now when you come up with a superheavy with more power than Shavers, Foreman, Ruddock, Tua, Tyson, Bruno, Smith, and currently Wilder and Haye, let me know. As for chins yes, I defy you to prove that any superheavy has a better chin than Ali,Chuvalo, Mccall, Tua ect. Your examples of big men with good chins? Valuev, never tested against a top heavyweight until Haye, who staggered him. Vitali, who has a great chin, but did wobble against Sanders also, so no, nothing to say they had better chins than the smaller heavies I mentioned. I haven't seen your percentages, knockouts don't take into account other things like stage of career, like stoppages due to accumulated punches or because one guy had better condition or skill than the other. Factor these in, and there may be something to look at. Otherwise I'll stick to examples in actual world class fights.

Again, career statistics of many past champions proves that the heavier their opponents, the lower their KO percentage is against them, compared to their KO percentage against lighter opposition. Now why is that?

You're drifting off topic with many irrelevant points that don't even require any addressing. At no point did I ever claim that there aren't lighter boxers with greater punching power and better punch resistance than some heavier boxers. My point was that when everything is equal, the heavier boxer usually has the better KO record and punch resistance.

Also, based on consistency, it's a fact that a boxer's KO record against heavier opposition is lower than against lighter opposition. That takes into account a multiple span of fights, instead of just one or two rare fights.

A heavy bum is more dangerous than a light bum.

A heavy ATG opponent is more dangerous than a light ATG opponent.

Btw, I wasn't using Price as an example of someone who should have a good chin because of he's size, I was using him as an example of someone who added extra weight thinking it would help he's durability. It did, he got knocked out by a non puncher. It made him tire quicker and did not improve he's chin. Like Bruno in Tyson fight two, it didn't translate into anything useful.

Again, you're using single boxers as the basis of your argument. Instead, take any past champion, then analyse their KO record against similar number of lighter opponents and then a similar number of heavier opponents that are of a similar caliber (bum vs bum, ATG vs ATG and etc.). You'll find that for almost every boxer, their KO percentage is lower against heavier opposition and higher against lighter opposition. Why? It's because heavier opponents in general are more difficult to KO than lighter opposition.

For every David Price that exists, there are tens of other similar sized heavyweights who have vastly superior punch resistance compared to David Price himself and other lighter boxers.

You finding specific heavier boxers who have inferior punch resistance to specific lighter boxers doesn't prove that weight doesn't affect punch resistance or power HOLISTICALLY. It just proves that the individual boxer is lacking. My analysis is performed in a holistic sense.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Is this a serious post ? really asking , you believe in all honesty that Tyson is not going past the first round ? i think you need to take a look on how Tyson fights , there is 0 chance he loses in that first round because AJ will be shelling up trying to understand whats going on , will he be able to adjust to Tyson in the mid/later rounds ? maybe but he might be on his back already.
I repeat there is almost 0 chance Tyson will be the one losing in the first round.
We are talking about one of the best defensive HW and a BEAST when at his prime and you think AJ takes him out in 1 ..... jezzz.... he was hitting god damn Whyte for i dont know how many rounds and he didnt KO him , same with breazle , and he is going to KO primed mike in a round!! in all honesty you really underrate prime mike to a point of a bum from the street which is crazy.

Yes, I personally do believe Mike Tyson doesn't survive too long against Anthony Joshua. However, I'll return to this point after establishing that weight of a boxer affects their own and their opponent's punch resistance and power

[bluepete]

Again, career statistics of many past champions proves that the heavier their opponents, the lower their KO percentage is against them, compared to their KO percentage against lighter opposition. Now why is that?

You're drifting off topic with many irrelevant points that don't even require any addressing. At no point did I ever claim that there aren't lighter boxers with greater punching power and better punch resistance than some heavier boxers. My point was that when everything is equal, the heavier boxer usually has the better KO record and punch resistance.

Also, based on consistency, it's a fact that a boxer's KO record against heavier opposition is lower than against lighter opposition. That takes into account a multiple span of fights, instead of just one or two rare fights.

A heavy bum is more dangerous than a light bum.

A heavy ATG opponent is more dangerous than a light ATG opponent.



Again, you're using single boxers as the basis of your argument. Instead, take any past champion, then analyse their KO record against similar number of lighter opponents and then a similar number of heavier opponents that are of a similar caliber (bum vs bum, ATG vs ATG and etc.). You'll find that for almost every boxer, their KO percentage is lower against heavier opposition and higher against lighter opposition. Why? It's because heavier opponents in general are more difficult to KO than lighter opposition.

For every David Price that exists, there are tens of other similar sized heavyweights who have vastly superior punch resistance compared to David Price himself and other lighter boxers.

You finding specific heavier boxers who have inferior punch resistance to specific lighter boxers doesn't prove that weight doesn't affect punch resistance or power HOLISTICALLY. It just proves that the individual boxer is lacking. My analysis is performed in a holistic sense.

I do know what youre saying. It's just that when you were talking about Mike Tyson and he's knockout percentage against lighter and then heavier opponents, it highlighted the problem with looking at weight on paper and then knockouts and thinking it gives you clear facts. For instance think of this. How many fights in which a bigger heavyweight knocks out a smaller one are a young up and comer fighting a fat old cruiserweight, at the end of he's career, who is unable to make he's old weight division due to age and lack of condition? Many guys end up at heavy at the tail end of their careers, because they have put on weight through lack of fitness. So they fight a young guy who's on the way up and he knocks them out. How squewed does that make the figures look? . This applies to other divisions too, because it's the trend of an aging fighter. Rarely do guys who are on the slope lose weight with age. You have to admit this is misleading. Knockouts and stoppages don't only happen due to power and chin of course but from one guy being gassed or outskilled by another. Of course, I agree that there are lighter men with better chins, in fact the very best at world class are documented lighter. The same as the best punchers. This is why I originally stated that Joshua having perceived advantages over the heavys of the eighties due to he's actual weight is misleading. I don't think he has more power than Ruddock or Bruno. Or a better chin that Tucker. If you think he's a better fighter overall than that's your opinion. But I'm saying the physical strength wouldn't give him the edge that people think, especially against a Tyson. Since styles make fights, being bigger can become a liability against a fast punching heavy who's 20lb lighter. Which is why I keep mentioning Wlad's defeats. They are decent examples of the diminishing returns of bulk, particularly the extra muscle of the new era superheavy . Maybe weight gives some people a mental edge think they feel stronger or sturdier, but men like Gary Mason and Danny Williams later voiced their regret that this belief led them to being bigger, slower and more vulnerable to being hit, than had they forgone a few pounds and come in sleeker.

[juggernaut666]

Do you know how childish you sound? You haven't disproved anything. You have proved that you just plain tell fibs to make a point though. Still no mention of Lewis Golota. Still talking about paragraphs when you can't spell and you don't check facts. Now your telling me I don't know who Dave Coldwell is. Of course he's gonna talk he's fighter up. People were saying that Price should sack him. He's not likely to say what nonsense the whole weight gain episode was while he was overseeing it. Yeah, we all saw how fit and sturdy Price looked. He looked like he was having an asthma attack in the ring that night. He was so fatigued he couldn't stand up. Of course, youve got all your deflections and excuses. Meanwhile in the real world he looked like **** and folded like a deckchair. Solid as a rock. Massive improvement. Those legs were as sturdy as an oak tree. Shame it wasn't a weightlifting competition. Carry on..

Anyone can go through the replies and see you are the fibber . They wont do that bc your writing style is trash ,no other way to put it !

On the topic , you conviently ignore Klitchko losses without Stewart (though you use STRAW man logic with others and also ignore Klitchko being out weighed in some ) and cry foul about Tysons prime when the same holds true to Wlad ?

Klitchko himself being a ten year champion shows how size is important ,your too dopey too see that in itself ,again no other way to put that .

Everyone including Prices own trainer knows Prices problem is mental except YOU ?

In short you should have just taken an L on several discussions here instead of rambling random example of TRYING to look smart bc 90% of what you posted is WRONG !

You never made a thread on Joshua should be in his 220's or a thread about weight itself because you know what will happen and ALL your quotes i will remind you when i post them !

[CatchAndShoot]

Wow, surprised at the humbleness, and being realistic. Respect to Joshua for keeping it real, and paying a legend his respects. Good man.

[bluepete]

Anyone can go through the replies and see you are the fibber . They wont do that bc your writing style is trash ,no other way to put it !

On the topic , you conviently ignore Klitchko losses without Stewart (though you use STRAW man logic with others and also ignore Klitchko being out weighed in some ) and cry foul about Tysons prime when the same holds true to Wlad ?

Klitchko himself being a ten year champion shows how size is important ,your too dopey too see that in itself ,again no other way to put that .

Everyone including Prices own trainer knows Prices problem is mental except YOU ?

In short you should have just taken an L on several discussions here instead of rambling random example of TRYING to look smart bc 90% of what you posted is WRONG !

You never made a thread on Joshua should be in his 220's or a thread about weight itself because you know what will happen and ALL your quotes i will remind you when i post them !

I gotta admit I read all that and I still didn't see you admit that you lied when you said Lewis was heavier than Golota. False information to support your argument. Now I don't know who Stewart is or when he trained Wlad. I do know Steward. I never said that Wlad wasn't better under Steward. I agree that he was. I just pointed out that hes weight advantage, being a superheavy against Sanders and Brewster didn't help him. And it didn't, he got smashed in those fights. By 225lbders. Neither of those guys had star trainers either btw. Neither had an Olympic medal or more experience than Wlad. They just beat him well despite being lighter. Now as to Price, it's funny you suddenly want to listen to he's trainer who doesn't want to accept any responsibility in the ridiculous strategy of coming in that heavy. But you don't want to listen to guys like Steward, Roach, or Hopkins and Holyfield who say gaining weight doesn't make you punch harder. Everyone in boxing knows he's weakness is he's chin. Everyone who covered the fight concluded that he gassed. That's what it looks like when your body can't get enough Oxygen. Tyson Fury says it happened to him against McDermott. He won a controversial verdict but he's cardio let him down. He was too heavy and gassed and therefore struggled. Everyone in every gym I've ever been to knows this feeling and what it looks like in others. It wasn't a daunting fight for Price. He wasn't intimidated. He just gassed. Why make a thread with to talk to someone who still prattles on about paragraphs while he's still misspelling everyone's name,tell blatant lies about fighters weights and then won't own what he's done? You keep coming back asking me to take "an L". This isnt the ring. I've got my opinion and yours isn't changing it. Nobody's on here thinking you've won anything because guess what? Nobody gives a toss about this conversation except you. If you respond with mistaken facts ie "Lewis outweighed Golota" you should admit it. Otherwise it's just back and forth. Carry on.

[juggernaut666]

I gotta admit I read all that and I still didn't see you admit that you lied when you said Lewis was heavier than Golota. False information to support your argument. Now I don't know who Stewart is or when he trained Wlad. I do know Steward. I never said that Wlad wasn't better under Steward. I agree that he was. I just pointed out that hes weight advantage, being a superheavy against Sanders and Brewster didn't help him. And it didn't, he got smashed in those fights. By 225lbders. Neither of those guys had star trainers either btw. Neither had an Olympic medal or more experience than Wlad. They just beat him well despite being lighter. Now as to Price, it's funny you suddenly want to listen to he's trainer who doesn't want to accept any responsibility in the ridiculous strategy of coming in that heavy. But you don't want to listen to guys like Steward, Roach, or Hopkins and Holyfield who say gaining weight doesn't make you punch harder. Everyone in boxing knows he's weakness is he's chin. Everyone who covered the fight concluded that he gassed. That's what it looks like when your body can't get enough Oxygen. Tyson Fury says it happened to him against McDermott. He won a controversial verdict but he's cardio let him down. He was too heavy and gassed and therefore struggled. Everyone in every gym I've ever been to knows this feeling and what it looks like in others. It wasn't a daunting fight for Price. He wasn't intimidated. He just gassed. Why make a thread with to talk to someone who still prattles on about paragraphs while he's still misspelling everyone's name,tell blatant lies about fighters weights and then won't own what he's done? You keep coming back asking me to take "an L". This isnt the ring. I've got my opinion and yours isn't changing it. Nobody's on here thinking you've won anything because guess what? Nobody gives a toss about this conversation except you. If you respond with mistaken facts ie "Lewis outweighed Golota" you should admit it. Otherwise it's just back and forth. Carry on.

Im not reading ALL that pile of regurgitation of more circle jerking what was covered already ! :wank:

The only thing you posted correctly is Tyson defeating Joshua which i agreed with ,which i broke down style and in depth reason why ,you cant bc you THINK Joshua is not proven enough and THINK hes LESS threat compared to others which is false. You had limited out look here with everything and your lack of under standing statistics ,physics and general sense was already self admitted when you stated your lack of education !


Tabaristo actually covered the weight debate perfectly you TRIED to reply with STRAW man responses !
I'll leave it there .

[bluepete]

Im not reading ALL that pile of regurgitation of more circle jerking what was covered already ! :wank:

The only thing you posted correctly is Tyson defeating Joshua which i agreed with ,which i broke down style and in depth reason why ,you cant bc you THINK Joshua is not proven enough and THINK hes LESS threat compared to others which is false. You had limited out look here with everything and your lack of under standing statistics ,physics and general sense was already self admitted when you stated your lack of education !


Tabaristo actually covered the weight debate perfectly you TRIED to reply with STRAW man responses !
I'll leave it there .

I can admit my lack of education. I was born in the wrong place. Your lack of education is confirmed by your spelling, which I wouldn't normally have mentioned, not being a snob on a literature website. However you decided you would be a paragraph **** so there it is. Joshua is proven up against the guys he shares the era with. A few years ago he was just a big kid serving up,now he's where he is good for him. Now obviously you can't admit to your mistakes that are out there for all to see. Statistics can be misleading, but knowingly quoting incorrect weights and not correcting yourself when the debate is about weight is a poor show. I know enough about boxing to know why guys get knocked out, and how adding mass to your chest and triceps isn't going to help with punch resistance. In fact it's a well known boxing saying "you can't put muscles on your chin". But all these trainers and fighters are wrong and your right.Dave Coldwell says so. You say you're going to leave it there, and I believe you, even though you say this often. Everytime I have an extra serving, I'm glad to have spoken about this to you. I know I'm improving my punch resistance. ☺️

[Mr Objecitivity]

I do know what youre saying. It's just that when you were talking about Mike Tyson and he's knockout percentage against lighter and then heavier opponents, it highlighted the problem with looking at weight on paper and then knockouts and thinking it gives you clear facts. For instance think of this. How many fights in which a bigger heavyweight knocks out a smaller one are a young up and comer fighting a fat old cruiserweight, at the end of he's career, who is unable to make he's old weight division due to age and lack of condition? Many guys end up at heavy at the tail end of their careers, because they have put on weight through lack of fitness. So they fight a young guy who's on the way up and he knocks them out. How squewed does that make the figures look? . This applies to other divisions too, because it's the trend of an aging fighter. Rarely do guys who are on the slope lose weight with age. You have to admit this is misleading. Knockouts and stoppages don't only happen due to power and chin of course but from one guy being gassed or outskilled by another. Of course, I agree that there are lighter men with better chins, in fact the very best at world class are documented lighter. The same as the best punchers. This is why I originally stated that Joshua having perceived advantages over the heavys of the eighties due to he's actual weight is misleading. I don't think he has more power than Ruddock or Bruno. Or a better chin that Tucker. If you think he's a better fighter overall than that's your opinion. But I'm saying the physical strength wouldn't give him the edge that people think, especially against a Tyson. Since styles make fights, being bigger can become a liability against a fast punching heavy who's 20lb lighter. Which is why I keep mentioning Wlad's defeats. They are decent examples of the diminishing returns of bulk, particularly the extra muscle of the new era superheavy . Maybe weight gives some people a mental edge think they feel stronger or sturdier, but men like Gary Mason and Danny Williams later voiced their regret that this belief led them to being bigger, slower and more vulnerable to being hit, than had they forgone a few pounds and come in sleeker.

How many fights in which a bigger heavyweight knocks out a smaller one are a young up and comer fighting a fat old cruiserweight, at the end of he's career, who is unable to make he's old weight division due to age and lack of condition?

This is why CONSISTENCY matters. I'm not looking at ONLY those particular fights against such smaller opponents. When you analyze the entire career record of a boxer's knockout percentage against heavier and lighter opposition, you will get varied results against various different types of heavy opponents and light opponents. Unless your argument is that every or most of those smaller sized opponents are 'young up coming fighters or fat old cruiserweights' which would take the discussion to a different route that I am also still willing to participate in.

Knockouts and stoppages don't only happen due to power and chin of course but from one guy being gassed or outskilled by another.

Whatever way you want to classify it, the heavier boxer usually has better punch resistance and knockout records in comparison to a lighter boxer when both are at a similar level of skills / accomplishments.