Anthony Joshua Reveals How A Fight With Mike Tyson Would Go

[Mr Objecitivity]

" It's the entirety of a boxer's career that is conclusive. "

Except we arent comparing careers we are comparing 2 fighters ,in this case one when at his best was under another trainer and against Joshua who is there to BRING an attack NOT survive .Anything else compared is illogical. Tyson had more snap in his punch and put his shots together better along with MUCH better defense and counter puncher skills in the 80's ,we are comparing SKILLS here right ? Not punching power alone even if you are suggestion it was the same?

blue pete is incompetent with the entire boxing mechanics of weight and physics and a D level troller at this point that im finished reading his mile long pile of regurgitation ,if you really think you will get a legit convo you haven't read the posts i have ,just look at the last post after this one which he states im using suggested guys against Tyson when im doing the opposite and picking Tyson . Hes an imbecile who makes up his own reality ...lol

Really this quote by him to use for his size is irrelevant sums him up perfectly !

" how has David Price done since he decided to put on extra weight for durability "?. Gassing out so bad he gets stopped by low level journeymen. Did it help he's chin? Is he's power overwhelming everyone like he, himself, thought it would? Nope, it's a cardio game."

We wont tell him a guy named Valuev of 300 plus pounds had very good stamina and even went 12 with active Haye ,he might faint combating his STRAW MAN points with STRAW MAN points ! LOL

But you continue to use stats that dont suggest the entire fight from SELECT fights from just stats which dont work here bdc Tyson was 2 different fighters at ONE point . I GUARANTEE you beyond thismatch up ,Tyson knocks out 95% of the guys you THINK he cant!

Joshua is a counter puncher ,he defeated everyone with that ,other than Klitchko who he was able to press ,he NEEDS to press Tyson to win. Tyson will hit him with ONE shot hits that require no set up for Joshua to counter with little margin of era on Joshua part bc of that . You arent goint to out counter THAT Tyson .

So the question is who wins the inside fight ,bc Joshua is NOT going to hold . Which tells me for now Tyson has the SLIGHT edge with sharper close quarter range punching in a fight he will be FORCED to end quickly as possible and will have more on target shots landed bc both are aggressive ,theres NO way around it .Tyson ON POINT is nearly impossible to out point ,you literately have to have the abilities to K.O him or TRY and coast to a loss .

Joshua does have the abilities to K.O him ,but Tyson was that good,which is why i only have ONE guy i can confidently say who COULD out point him for a win and Vitali Klitchko has the best chance in doing so .

"At heavyweight boxing, quick knockouts > long fights. A modern heavyweight doesn't need 15 rounds because they are consistently able to end fights before that stage."

This is true and 12 rnd fights actually produce more punches bc they have less time to float rnds . A big misconception ,really a myth with old time fighters ,when actually you had MUCH more clinching too back in the day . People are easily duped ,just read some of these comments for some eye poppers .

Except we arent comparing careers we are comparing 2 fighters ,in this case one when at his best was under another trainer and against Joshua who is there to BRING an attack NOT survive .Anything else compared is illogical. Tyson had more snap in his punch and put his shots together better along with MUCH better defense and counter puncher skills in the 80's ,we are comparing SKILLS here right ? Not punching power alone even if you are suggestion it was the same?

You might have misunderstood the point of that statement I made which you responded to. The point wasn't about anything else, other than the best method to determine whether weight of an opponent has an effect on the knockout record of a boxer. It had nothing directly to do with a potential fight between Anthony Joshua and Mike Tyson. Hell, it wasn't purely even necessarily about Mike Tyson either. it was about any boxer in general, which is to use the career statistics of a boxer's knockout percentage against heavier and lighter opposition to establish if the weight of opposition has an effect on the knockout percentage of said boxer.

I don't agree with everything else you stated, but most of your arguments do seem reasonable.

I will start discussing about the match up between Mike Tyson and Anthony Joshua after it's established that weight does indeed affect a boxer's knockout record and even win record too.

[bluepete]

You wrote a bunch of irrelevant sentences by waffling off topic. I'm not going to reply to all of it. Only some of what you wrote was related to the topic being discussed, which I'll respond to.

Fact of the matter is, weight does indeed have an impact on the knockout record of a boxer. Compile the career statistics of many boxers that are ATG's (All Time Greats), hall of famers or legends, you'll find that more often than not (nearly all the time), their knockout percentage against heavier opposition was lower than against lighter opposition. Which proves that heavier boxers usually have better punch resistance and are more difficult to KO.

Likewise, with everything else being equal, the heavier boxer usually has better knockout records and punch resistance than their lighter counterparts.

The heaviest boxer with the best punch resistance > lighter boxers with the best punch resistance.

Heaviest boxer with average punch resistance (for their size) > lighter boxers with average punch resistance (for their size).

The same applies for knockout records as well.

You can use invalid, non - like for like examples such as comparing James Toney's punch resistance (lighter boxer with the best punch resistance) to David Price's punch resistance (a heavier boxer with very poor punch resistance for his size) and claim that weight doesn't matter when it comes to punch resistance / power. However, such comparisons aren't valid because they aren't like for like.

If you want to compare the punch resistance of James Toney to a heavier boxer, then compare him to someone like Nikolai Valuev or Vitali Klitschko. Then, we will have more of a valid comparison that is fair. In which case, the heavier boxer is again superior.

You insult my answer then decide to reply to some of it two weeks later? You have some neck. The whole conversation started because I didn't see any advantage to having 20lb of flab hanging around your waist (Whyte) as far as power or chin is concerned. It makes no difference, apart from being a drain over the distance. I also questioned the validity of adding 20lb of muscle weight artificially in regards to improving chin or power. I gave some real life examples of fighters who have gained fat or muscle and how it hasn't helped them in either regard. I also pointed out that as far as heavyweights, there have been men of 225 who have had power as good as any bigger man and men of a similar size who have shown better chins than the superheavies.Now when you come up with a superheavy with more power than Shavers, Foreman, Ruddock, Tua, Tyson, Bruno, Smith, and currently Wilder and Haye, let me know. As for chins yes, I defy you to prove that any superheavy has a better chin than Ali,Chuvalo, Mccall, Tua ect. Your examples of big men with good chins? Valuev, never tested against a top heavyweight until Haye, who staggered him. Vitali, who has a great chin, but did wobble against Sanders also, so no, nothing to say they had better chins than the smaller heavies I mentioned. I haven't seen your percentages, knockouts don't take into account other things like stage of career, like stoppages due to accumulated punches or because one guy had better condition or skill than the other. Factor these in, and there may be something to look at. Otherwise I'll stick to examples in actual world class fights.

[bluepete]

You wrote a bunch of irrelevant sentences by waffling off topic. I'm not going to reply to all of it. Only some of what you wrote was related to the topic being discussed, which I'll respond to.

Fact of the matter is, weight does indeed have an impact on the knockout record of a boxer. Compile the career statistics of many boxers that are ATG's (All Time Greats), hall of famers or legends, you'll find that more often than not (nearly all the time), their knockout percentage against heavier opposition was lower than against lighter opposition. Which proves that heavier boxers usually have better punch resistance and are more difficult to KO.

Likewise, with everything else being equal, the heavier boxer usually has better knockout records and punch resistance than their lighter counterparts.

The heaviest boxer with the best punch resistance > lighter boxers with the best punch resistance.

Heaviest boxer with average punch resistance (for their size) > lighter boxers with average punch resistance (for their size).

The same applies for knockout records as well.

You can use invalid, non - like for like examples such as comparing James Toney's punch resistance (lighter boxer with the best punch resistance) to David Price's punch resistance (a heavier boxer with very poor punch resistance for his size) and claim that weight doesn't matter when it comes to punch resistance / power. However, such comparisons aren't valid because they aren't like for like.

If you want to compare the punch resistance of James Toney to a heavier boxer, then compare him to someone like Nikolai Valuev or Vitali Klitschko. Then, we will have more of a valid comparison that is fair. In which case, the heavier boxer is again superior.

Btw, I wasn't using Price as an example of someone who should have a good chin because of he's size, I was using him as an example of someone who added extra weight thinking it would help he's durability. It did, he got knocked out by a non puncher. It made him tire quicker and did not improve he's chin. Like Bruno in Tyson fight two, it didn't translate into anything useful.

[juggernaut666]

Btw, I wasn't using Price as an example of someone who should have a good chin because of he's size, I was using him as an example of someone who added extra weight thinking it would help he's durability. It did, he got knocked out by a non puncher. It made him tire quicker and did not improve he's chin. Like Bruno in Tyson fight two, it didn't translate into anything useful.

Still b.sing ?

Price NEVER had good stamina ........of course adding weight wont help that cause ,particularly with high punch counts that TIRE a SHW out . The extra weight shows why weight doesn't matter doe from that ONE fight ?

Did you even watch that Price fight ,i dont think you did in makings such another straw man argument ! Do you even know it wouldn't take hard punchers to k.o Price ?

[bluzi]

One could reasonably argue that Mike Tyson would be nothing more than a minor irritant / nuisance to some of the biggest top modern heavyweights in size like Anthony Joshua and Wladimir Klitschko. This mainly stems from the fact that Mike Tyson's knockout power looked significantly ineffective against modern sized heavyweights on a consistent basis. Thus, it's debatable if Mike Tyson even has the power to KO someone with the size + skill of Anthony Joshua or even hurt him easily. It's also debatable that Anthony Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Mike Tyson's punches and then just simply destroy him. Mike Tyson's failure to barely even put a dent on the likes of Danny Williams and Brian Nielsen (2 guys over 250 pounds) supports this possibility.

To me, this is a near mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua. Any version of Mike Tyson gets totally obliterated in probably the first round, simply because I don't think Mike Tyson has the single punch power to hurt Anthony Joshua enough to discourage him from attacking. The fact that Danny Williams (a 250+ pound bum) walked through multiple of Mike Tyson's hardest punches without going down is evidence that Anthony Joshua (a 250+ pound skilled heavyweight) is likely to be able to do the same, but whilst being far more effective offensively and defensively.

So my verdict on this fight is a brutal knockout victory for Anthony Joshua inside 1-3 rounds. I doubt Mike Tyson is even going to see past the first round in all honesty.

Is this a serious post ? really asking , you believe in all honesty that Tyson is not going past the first round ? i think you need to take a look on how Tyson fights , there is 0 chance he loses in that first round because AJ will be shelling up trying to understand whats going on , will he be able to adjust to Tyson in the mid/later rounds ? maybe but he might be on his back already.
I repeat there is almost 0 chance Tyson will be the one losing in the first round.
We are talking about one of the best defensive HW and a BEAST when at his prime and you think AJ takes him out in 1 ..... jezzz.... he was hitting god damn Whyte for i dont know how many rounds and he didnt KO him , same with breazle , and he is going to KO primed mike in a round!! in all honesty you really underrate prime mike to a point of a bum from the street which is crazy.

[bluepete]

Still b.sing ?

Price NEVER had good stamina ........of course adding weight wont help that cause ,particularly with high punch counts that TIRE a SHW out . The extra weight shows why weight doesn't matter doe from that ONE fight ?

Did you even watch that Price fight ,i dont think you did in makings such another straw man argument ! Do you even know it wouldn't take hard punchers to k.o Price ?

I was responding to someone who responded to me. That's what we do on here in case you confuse it with trolling you obsessed mug. You on the other hand are so obsessed with what I'm doing that youre involving yourself again when I wasn't even addressing you. As for Price, yes I saw the fight. You were the one who seemed to be unaware of it. It's not the only example I've given, just one of many. But it stands as one of a man who purposely out on weight thinking it would help him in the power and durability department when it did neither. Yes it sapped he's stamina, which is always the case with excess weight. I've been saying that the whole time. The fact that he couldn't make six rounds with Hamer, who was levels below him showed how he's performance had deteriorated. He was stopped previously by men with decent power, we all agree, in this fight he was stopped by a lower level non puncher.

[bluepete]

Still b.sing ?

Price NEVER had good stamina ........of course adding weight wont help that cause ,particularly with high punch counts that TIRE a SHW out . The extra weight shows why weight doesn't matter doe from that ONE fight ?

Did you even watch that Price fight ,i dont think you did in makings such another straw man argument ! Do you even know it wouldn't take hard punchers to k.o Price ?

We're you drunk when you wrote this? There was nothing I wrote to suggest I hadn't seen the Price fight. "I dont think you did in makings such another straw man arguement". You sound tired. Maybe you should get some sleep instead of obsessing over someone who wasn't even talking to you.

[juggernaut666]

We're you drunk when you wrote this? There was nothing I wrote to suggest I hadn't seen the Price fight. "I dont think you did in makings such another straw man arguement". You sound tired. Maybe you should get some sleep instead of obsessing over someone who wasn't even talking to you.

Incompetant pete ,you DIRECTLY said WEIGHT did not help Price and slowed him down ,you USED that as another straw man example to continue this idiotic notion weight is unimportant and even suggested bc Haye (who is a power puncher ) staggered a 300 plus pound Valuev thinking it proves size doesnt matter bc he was STAGGERED . Wouldnt that actually SHOW being a SHW withstood shots from a legit puncher ?Another winner there Pete ! lol

If you really knew what you were talking about here you would know when a fighter lacks mental strength and still cant stop from tightning up it drains energy FAST which happened to Price after he threw everything he had at Hammer ,even when his OWN trainer said he looked better at around 260 in training camp . Nothing to do with WEIGHT but confidence issues in a fight Price could have easily won ..... being heavier would effect guys with stamina issues in LONGER fights this does not disprove weight wont help a better fighter who carries it well,you just cant comprehend that and are unable to even if i gave you 100 examples you give me 1 and thats case closed ? lol .

Im obsessing ? Im not the erradic poster that cant do paragraphs and rambles on with mile long posts which looks like someone suffering from schizophrenia !

The TOPIC was addressed to me first NOT the other poster .........Seems like you are the drunk one on here as usual ! Did you at least figure out yet i was not picking Joshua AFTER 14 pgs on this thread ?

[bluepete]

Incompetant pete ,you DIRECTLY said WEIGHT did not help Price and slowed him down ,you USED that as another straw man example to continue this idiotic notion weight is unimportant and even suggested bc Haye (who is a power puncher ) staggered a 300 plus pound Valuev thinking it proves size doesnt matter bc he was STAGGERED . Wouldnt that actually SHOW being a SHW withstood shots from a legit puncher ?Another winner there Pete ! lol

If you really knew what you were talking about here you would know when a fighter lacks mental strength and still cant stop from tightning up it drains energy FAST which happened to Price after he threw everything he had at Hammer ,even when his OWN trainer said he looked better at around 260 in training camp . Nothing to do with WEIGHT but confidence issues in a fight Price could have easily won ..... being heavier would effect guys with stamina issues in LONGER fights this does not disprove weight wont help a better fighter who carries it well,you just cant comprehend that and are unable to even if i gave you 100 examples you give me 1 and thats case closed ? lol .

Im obsessing ? Im not the erradic poster that cant do paragraphs and rambles on with mile long posts which looks like someone suffering from schizophrenia !

The TOPIC was addressed to me first NOT the other poster .........Seems like you are the drunk one on here as usual !

I'd already replied to you ages ago but you lost your phone. So weeks later the other poster replied to my comment and I replied to him. Then you appear asking me if I'm still bull****ting. Now, I don't normally do the grammar **** bit but you might want to learn to spell the word incompetent correctly before using it as an insult. You had nothing to say of use about Klitschko Brewster or Klitschko Sanders, nothing to say of worth about Bruno Tyson 2,all good examples of the bigger 240plus heavy having no advantage based on size, and then you fictionally say I've only given one example involving Price. Price's trainer saying he was looking better before the fight is irrelevant. The fact is he looked worse. He didn't have any extra power or resistance. You have no clue as to what part in the fight confidence played, you don't even know how to spell the name of the guy he fought correctly. It's Hamerton btw. Again before you call people erratic, you might learn to spell it correctly. But then you are a fellow who just makes things up. Like Lennox having a weight advantage over Golota. Remember that one? I don't mind learning something from a true expert, I didn't grow up in an area where we received a good education. But I do know that a guy who talks about paragraphs when he doesn't even bother with he's spelling is a bit of a hypocrite. We don't agree on the subject. That's not going to change.But don't get a blood pressure issue over it.

[juggernaut666]

I'd already replied to you ages ago but you lost your phone. So weeks later the other poster replied to my comment and I replied to him. Then you appear asking me if I'm still bull****ting. Now, I don't normally do the grammar **** bit but you might want to learn to spell the word incompetent correctly before using it as an insult. You had nothing to say of use about Klitschko Brewster or Klitschko Sanders, nothing to say of worth about Bruno Tyson 2,all good examples of the bigger 240plus heavy having no advantage based on size, and then you fictionally say I've only given one example involving Price. Price's trainer saying he was looking better before the fight is irrelevant. The fact is he looked worse. He didn't have any extra power or resistance. You have no clue as to what part in the fight confidence played, you don't even know how to spell the name of the guy he fought correctly. It's Hamerton btw. Again before you call people erratic, you might learn to spell it correctly. But then you are a fellow who just makes things up. Like Lennox having a weight advantage over Golota. Remember that one? I don't mind learning something from a true expert, I didn't grow up in an area where we received a good education. But I do know that a guy who talks about paragraphs when he doesn't even bother with he's spelling is a bit of a hypocrite. We don't agree on the subject. That's not going to change.But don't get a blood pressure issue over it.

You live in your own fantasy world ,everything you post has easily been disproved by me ,so continue onward to your ******ity . MOST wont actually bother with them because MOST ppl dont like to STRAIN when reading posts . Thats why PARAGRAPHS are helpful !

"People are talking about his weight but he was STRONGER ,FITTER , and was taking BETTER shots at around 275 . David was sturdier on his legs in ALL sparring sessions" David Coldwell,who you probably dont know who that is ! lol

Any experienced or logical person would know what Price suffers from and its not weight you tool !