Comments Thread For: Arum Not Angry: Pacquiao-Horn Could Have Gone Either Way

[MrRolltide91]

Arum don't care

[p4ptbe]

Thurman really isn't an aggressive fighter like Horn tho. I still think Thurman would win but it would be a little competitive.
But there's no point seeing Manny and Mayweather again. No point.
Mayweather would beat that ass again.

Manny vs Horn 2 in the philippines or australia is most likely im guessing

[p4ptbe]

link or it never happened.


and you keep posting about the "big investigation" and blah blah blah, but you conveniently leave out the actual RESULTS of that investigation. And the results were a BIG FAT NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. ZIP

UM YES IT DOES YOU BLIND ******! http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...-gibbons_x.htm
Arum has fired matchmaker Sean Gibbons.
Gibbons, who did not return messages, was fired Monday.
"He is not an employee any longer. I am not going to comment on any reason," Arum attorney Richard Wright said Wednesday.
Gibbons' name was among those on a search warrant under which the FBI raided Arum's Las Vegas offices last week as part of an ongoing 20-month probe in conjunction with the New York City police that is looking into possible fight fixing, medical document fraud, scale tampering and illegal transport of Mexican fighters to the USA.
An Oklahoma native and cousin of former lightweight champion-turned-broadcaster Sean O'Grady, Gibbons had as a key responsibility finding opponents for the young boxers Top Rank was building up on its roughly 50 cards a year.
Gibbons, 37, who reported to head matchmaker Bruce Trampler, also found opponents for Eric "Butterbean" Esch, the popular 300-plus pound heavyweight attraction who used to fight for Top Rank. Several of his fights are in question.
Gibbons also is close with lightweight Verdell Smith, whose 2001 rematch with Jorge Paez is under scrutiny. Paez won the fight, which was nationally televised on Spanish-language network TeleFutura, via third-round stoppage.
Gibbons' name has come up in connection with previous fight-fixing allegations. According to a 1999 Miami Herald investigation, Gibbons asked two heavyweights to throw fights.
Heavyweight Andre Smiley said Gibbons offered him extra $500 during a fight if he would go down.
Heavyweight Mike Smith said Gibbons regularly fixed fights. TheHerald quoted Smith from a 1997 Oklahoma Department of Labor investigative report: "Sean (Gibbons) would say, 'They not gonna pay you if you win,' you know. So I had to lose. ... I was ashamed, you know, to keep doing these things. I knew it wasn't right. I knew I wanted to win!"
Gibbons called the allegation "a complete lie" in The Herald story.
Barrera back:
Marco Antonio Barrera, the former featherweigh

[p4ptbe]

link or it never happened.


and you keep posting about the "big investigation" and blah blah blah, but you conveniently leave out the actual RESULTS of that investigation. And the results were a BIG FAT NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. ZIP

YES ARUM IS A CONNECTED WASHINGTON PLAYER! FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR! THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE ALWAYS SLITHER OUT OF INVESTIGATIONS! ESPECIALLY IN A SPORT LIKE BOXING WHICH NO ONE IN THE MAIN STREAM CARES ABOUT!

Arum has fired matchmaker Sean Gibbons.
Gibbons, who did not return messages, was fired Monday.
"He is not an employee any longer. I am not going to comment on any reason," Arum attorney Richard Wright said Wednesday.
Gibbons' name was among those on a search warrant under which the FBI raided Arum's Las Vegas offices last week as part of an ongoing 20-month probe in conjunction with the New York City police that is looking into possible fight fixing, medical document fraud, scale tampering and illegal transport of Mexican fighters to the USA.
An Oklahoma native and cousin of former lightweight champion-turned-broadcaster Sean O'Grady, Gibbons had as a key responsibility finding opponents for the young boxers Top Rank was building up on its roughly 50 cards a year.
Gibbons, 37, who reported to head matchmaker Bruce Trampler, also found opponents for Eric "Butterbean" Esch, the popular 300-plus pound heavyweight attraction who used to fight for Top Rank. Several of his fights are in question.
Gibbons also is close with lightweight Verdell Smith, whose 2001 rematch with Jorge Paez is under scrutiny. Paez won the fight, which was nationally televised on Spanish-language network TeleFutura, via third-round stoppage.
Gibbons' name has come up in connection with previous fight-fixing allegations. According to a 1999 Miami Herald investigation, Gibbons asked two heavyweights to throw fights.
Heavyweight Andre Smiley said Gibbons offered him extra $500 during a fight if he would go down.
Heavyweight Mike Smith said Gibbons regularly fixed fights. TheHerald quoted Smith from a 1997 Oklahoma Department of Labor investigative report: "Sean (Gibbons) would say, 'They not gonna pay you if you win,' you know. So I had to lose. ... I was ashamed, you know, to keep doing these things. I knew it wasn't right. I knew I wanted to win!"
Gibbons called the allegation "a complete lie" in The Herald story.
Barrera back:
Marco Antonio Barrera, the former featherweigh

[JakeTheBoxer]

I am not even sure if any of those Arum`s welter fighters could beat Collazo.

[Manic Shot]

Bob Arum is a genius! If you don't like to watch the first fight.
Then he will force you to watch the 2nd fight and it's a PPV. Amazing!

[kushking]

link or it never happened.


and you keep posting about the "big investigation" and blah blah blah, but you conveniently leave out the actual RESULTS of that investigation. And the results were a BIG FAT NOTHING. ZERO. NADA. ZIP

Are you actually saying bob arum is clean? Or what are you arguing exactly? This scumbag arum testified in court to regularly bribing the ibf & others to sanction his fighters facing bums,& said it was business as usual,same as don king also testified.

[OnePunch]

Are you actually saying bob arum is clean? Or what are you arguing exactly? This scumbag arum testified in court to regularly bribing the ibf & others to sanction his fighters facing bums,& said it was business as usual,same as don king also testified.

im not arguing anything. Im just saying the whole FBI thing was all fizz and no gin, and set up by Torres who was headed back to jail unless he could give the FBI something interesting. So he claims Top Rank fixed a few fights, he stays out of jail, and the "big" investigation comes up empty. Not a shred of anything turns up against Gibbons, against Trampler, against Arum, NOTHING AGAINST NOBODY.


It just never stops. A bad decision on a Top Rank card, and all the conspiracy nuts are screaming "FIX". But a bad decision on a Haymon card and its crickets from them.

Hmmm, I wonder why that is? Hmmm, what is so different between Arum and Haymon? Hmmmmmm......

[kushking]

im not arguing anything. Im just saying the whole FBI thing was all fizz and no gin, and set up by Torres who was headed back to jail unless he could give the FBI something interesting. So he claims Top Rank fixed a few fights, he stays out of jail, and the "big" investigation comes up empty. Not a shred of anything turns up against Gibbons, against Trampler, against Arum, NOTHING AGAINST NOBODY.


It just never stops. A bad decision on a Top Rank card, and all the conspiracy nuts are screaming "FIX". But a bad decision on a Haymon card and its crickets from them.

Hmmm, I wonder why that is? Hmmm, what is so different between Arum and Haymon? Hmmmmmm......

There's fixes from plenty of promoters but Arum has made that a recurring theme throughout his career as a manager since day 1. And Arum is the ****** coward who deserves to be banned from Boxing based on his testimony alone,which coincides perfectly with what gibbons apparently said. If Arum admits to bribing officials from sanctioning bodies then of course he fixes fights too. Haymon is a dirtbag too but he hasn't incriminated himself how arum has by testifying to bribery. (That I know of) The question then becomes why are you then only interested in haymon, regardless if u feel arums being singled out, this article is about yet another robbery from arums fights,& yet again he seems to be all for it despite his biggest name getting robbed,(& Im someone who hates pac**** for being a **** too)

[OnePunch]

There's fixes from plenty of promoters but Arum has made that a recurring theme throughout his career as a manager since day 1. And Arum is the ****** coward who deserves to be banned from Boxing based on his testimony alone,which coincides perfectly with what gibbons apparently said. If Arum admits to bribing officials from sanctioning bodies then of course he fixes fights too. Haymon is a dirtbag too but he hasn't incriminated himself how arum has by testifying to bribery. (That I know of) The question then becomes why are you then only interested in haymon, regardless if u feel arums being singled out, this article is about yet another robbery from arums fights,& yet again he seems to be all for it despite his biggest name getting robbed,(& Im someone who hates pac**** for being a **** too)

if you want to get into the whole Bob Lee IBF thing, you have to take it into the proper context. Lee was extorting EVERYONE, not just Arum. If you wanted a fight sanctioned, you either paid his price, or you didnt get the sanction. Yes, Arum paid him. But to make it sound like Arum went around initiating bribes is disingenuous. He did what he had to do in order to conduct business.

As for "fixing fights" these days, I dont believe for a second it happens the way some here think, with judges being paid off. The "fix", if any, is in the matchmaking. Experienced boxing people pretty much know how a certain fight is likely to go. I guarantee you that Horn was not supposed to beat Pac, anymore than Douglas was supposed to beat Tyson. It just happened that way. Bad judges, bad refereeing, and a sub-par performance from Pac opened the door for it. Personally I scored it 115-113 for Pac, but there were a few close rounds so MAYBE you could score a draw if you were being generous to Horn. But to me the REAL issue was the referee allowing Horn to foul all night. So I suppose Arum must have paid him off as well? Its absurd.

Bottom line is that I do not believe for a second that Arum, Oscar, Haymon, or anyone is paying off judges. I think we just have a system that doesnt really hold judges accountable, and doesnt establish true, meaningful scoring criteria, which leaves too much in the hands of inept, incompetent, or biased judges......