Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Coach: Mayweather Knew, He Targeted The Shoulder!

[D4thincarnation]

a TUE

what is your explanation for Pacquiao refusing random blood tests, while throwing 1200+ punches at Clottey..... but then becoming a normal 500-600 punch fighter when he finally agreed to testing?

should a Pacquiao fan be accusing other fighters of steroid abuse?

USADA never sanctioned the TUE

What was the reason behind this TUE?

What was medically wrong with Floyd?

I'm dealing with the facts here. Try and stick to them.

[D4thincarnation]

so..... the guy who CHOSE to undertake additional testing, is dirty..... and, the guy who REFUSED to undertake additional testing, is clean

sounds logical

Marrion Jones and Tim Montgomery singed up to much more stringent testing. Guess who let them slide? USADA

Nothing to worry if you know you can beat the system.

Also two year breaks at a time can be used to used as many heavy PEDs as you like and flush them from your system.

Any fighter who is fighting every 6 months still has to take the urine tests and bloods a month before the fight

[Spoon23]

Well it's just a good thing that Pac was able to get some salt water on that horribly "injured" shoulder.

After any surgery. Most patients only need to rest at home will do the trick, Adding salt water is just an asian way to expedite his healing. Actually resting after a surgery is all it takes for healing after a surgery. You should try it if ever you get injured. Your doctor will just prescribe you to rest.

[SkillspayBills]

Yeah that was obvious.
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I've never seen anyone as dedicated to one thing as you are to this fight. I wish you would put your powers to something like fixing world hunger. I'm positive you would find a solution within 5 years with your indefatigable nature.

[Manic Shot]

Let it go!

[Spoon23]

Let it go!

Why so upset Floyd fan? He's asked a question. It's only proper to tell the truth to the boxing world. Froid won a fluke win. That's all there ia too it. You should avoid going to this threads that tells the real truth about this fluke fight, and you won't have to be insecure about having a fraud win an empty win.




Look how floyd loves to Pull Pac's arm. He knew off Pac's injury. He loved to tear that rotator cuff so bad lololololol

and yet a handicapped Pac was still able to out-land an IV infused froid roid for 12 rounds

#legendary





Will you look at that it's already bleeding out. See that long red mark behind the right delts .. Or you rather believe there isn't a red mark?

[travestyny]

Well, very coincidental he gets that injury in that fight.

But either way, Floyd did know about it, he had a spy or spies in the Pacquiao camp. Pacquiao did not spar from a month out.

Pacquiao denied having an USADA authorized shot by NSAC of a clerical error.

Floyd allowed to take a USADA banned shot by NSAC.

Floyd, targeted the shoulder, grabbed and yanked the armed and was allowed to do this by the ref.

Despite all this Floyd can not land anything big on Pacquiao, can count the clean counters he landed on one hand, and Pacquiao definitely landing the bigger more powerful shots, more power shots, and more shots overall in reality.

This is despite the injury and being two weight classes bellow Floyd naturally.

Floyd again avoided the ring scales, because his weight was up again in middle weight territory.


Why do you think Floyd felt the need to stack the deck that much?

Man, you are full of misinformation.

1. Pacquiao's surgeon said he basically tweeked his shoulder during training, and that it was nothing out of the ordinary.

“Manny was having shoulder pain during his training period. This was several weeks before the fight…it was essentially an aggravation of an old injury. This is pretty standard for fighters, and there is no such thing as pristine tissue in high level athletes. We treated the aggravation (with permission from U.S. Anti-Doping Agency) and he was back to his normal strength going into the fight.”
https://ryortho.com/breaking/neal-el...n-in-6-months/

Mayweather had issues with both of his shoulders and wound up getting surgery on his shoulder after his last fight.

2. It is NOT true that Pacquiao missed a month of sparring. I don't know where you got that from. He missed one week, which was 3 sessions. The first was because of him tweeking the shoulder, the second was because USADA came right before he was set to spar. After that, Roach said they will just begin sparring again the next week. He was set and ready to spar that second day, but didn't only because USADA visited, and there is proof.

Here he is on that day with his hands wrapped up, waiting to spar, when USADA came in.

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-19%20at%205.14.29%20AM.png[/IMG]

Also, here he is on the morning of that day. He is at a park training...WITH HIS SPARRING PARTNERS PRESENT. But I thought they were sent home? So why is he at a park throwing punches, shoulder looks fine, later in the day with his hands wrapped up? You don't wrap your hands unless you are going to punch something.



His shoulder looks pretty good there, doesn't it?


3. Pacquiao was denied the shot because he didn't need it. His own surgeon said he didn't need it. So why was the surgeon trying to give him the shot?

"We interviewed the physicians representing Manny, and they advised us his health and safety would not be at risk if he fought without the injection."

It was proven that the guy in the dressing room was his surgeon. And remember, above he is quoted saying Pac was BACK TO NORMAL going into the fight. So 2 NSAC doctors, and Pac's own surgeon said he didn't appear to need anything, yet his surgeon (who was somehow needed to give a simple injection) was set to give him TORADOL, which numbs your entire body. Hmmm.

4. Floyd received a TUE retroactively, which is a part of WADA's rules. He also gave a partial urine sample from before the IV. The urine test was not allowed to be diluted according to WADA's rules, and yes the specific gravity of the urine is checked both by the USADA DCO and by the independent WADA labs. The TUE committee is a group of 4 independent doctors, who approved of the TUE. Mind you, the TUE application, and the blood and urine samples, do NOT have the athlete's name on them.

5. You were saying that an athlete can do PED's when not in camp and then clear out his system before camp. Then why would Floyd have been clearing out his system the day before the fight?

6. Pacquiao weighed more than Floyd for this fight. I'm not sure who is naturally bigger, but Floyd is at least naturally taller.

7. Floyd landed plenty on Pac.

[Lester Tutor]

Anybody remember Arum complaining that PAC didn't want to do physical therapy, lol, the same type of physical therapy for a severely torn rotator cuff on Kobe, yet Kobe let American press say that he refused therapy, played basketball at a gym a month later in disguise..., and said salt water from the West Coast healed him all ready for the NBA... yes that Kobe with the same doctor as PAC as Arum highly said...

PAC fans are the smartest fans...

[Dosumpthin]

Man, you are full of misinformation.

1. Pacquiao's surgeon said he basically tweeked his shoulder during training, and that it was nothing out of the ordinary.



Mayweather had issues with both of his shoulders and wound up getting surgery on his shoulder after his last fight.

2. It is NOT true that Pacquiao missed a month of sparring. I don't know where you got that from. He missed one week, which was 3 sessions. The first was because of him tweeking the shoulder, the second was because USADA came right before he was set to spar. After that, Roach said they will just begin sparring again the next week. He was set and ready to spar that second day, but didn't only because USADA visited, and there is proof.

Here he is on that day with his hands wrapped up, waiting to spar, when USADA came in.

[IMG]http://i62.***********.com/albums/h95/travestyny/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-19%20at%205.14.29%20AM.png[/IMG]

Also, here he is on the morning of that day. He is at a park training...WITH HIS SPARRING PARTNERS PRESENT. But I thought they were sent home? So why is he at a park throwing punches, shoulder looks fine, later in the day with his hands wrapped up? You don't wrap your hands unless you are going to punch something.



His shoulder looks pretty good there, doesn't it?


3. Pacquiao was denied the shot because he didn't need it. His own surgeon said he didn't need it. So why was the surgeon trying to give him the shot?



It was proven that the guy in the dressing room was his surgeon. And remember, above he is quoted saying Pac was BACK TO NORMAL going into the fight. So 2 NSAC doctors, and Pac's own surgeon said he didn't appear to need anything, yet his surgeon (who was somehow needed to give a simple injection) was set to give him TORADOL, which numbs your entire body. Hmmm.

4. Floyd received a TUE retroactively, which is a part of WADA's rules. He also gave a partial urine sample from before the IV. The urine test was not allowed to be diluted according to WADA's rules, and yes the specific gravity of the urine is checked both by the USADA DCO and by the independent WADA labs. The TUE committee is a group of 4 independent doctors, who approved of the TUE. Mind you, the TUE application, and the blood and urine samples, do NOT have the athlete's name on them.

5. You were saying that an athlete can do PED's when not in camp and then clear out his system before camp. Then why would Floyd have been clearing out his system the day before the fight?

6. Pacquiao weighed more than Floyd for this fight. I'm not sure who is naturally bigger, but Floyd is at least naturally taller.

7. Floyd landed plenty on Pac.

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Damn. You destroyed that guy with one post.

[travestyny]

Will you look at that it's already bleeding out. See that long red mark behind the right delts .. Or you rather believe there isn't a red mark?

When did that red mark show up? I thought he said he injured his shoulder in the 3rd round, and later said it was the 4th round. I remember looking into this, and I didn't see any red mark until maybe the 7th round.

So it took 3 rounds to bleed? And a shoulder that is so badly bleeding under the skin isn't affecting his performance at all? No ice?

Sorry to break it to you. That's not a mark from internal bleeding. Your boy is a liar. Not even his own team has been trying to say that picture proves anything, because it is idiotic. But continue with your desperation.