Why is there a consensus that Lomachenko is above Rigondeaux on the P4P list?

[koolkc107]

I'm a Rigondeaux fan too but not in the way you are. Arum deserves some of the blame but not all of it. The inactivity is why he's not rated higher on the P4P and that's Guillermo and his management team's fault.

I like Loma too.

Eye tests says he may be THE MOST GIFTED out there.

But P4P means more than the eye test.

It means you have to fight.

And do well or/and beat other P4P guys.

For example, Kovalev is STILL number 2 on my list.

And that's because I firmly believe that only Ward beats him in a P4P fight- and each time it happened it was close, even the decisive KO was a close fight.

Loma has NO SUCH win and worse has LOST to a guy that IS NOT elite. Worse, him or his people are not doing enough to get Salido back in the ring to correct that misstep.

Real champs, real P4P guys avenge losses or do the rematch to erase ALL DOUBT in close fights.

I don't see that from Loma yet.

So he stays at #9 P4P on my list...and even that is kind of a gift since I named 10 guys who have better wins than he does earlier in the thread.

[NO/BS2468]

[QUOTE=koolkc107;17814288]I like Loma too.

Eye tests says he may be THE MOST GIFTED out there.

But P4P means more than the eye test.

It means you have to fight.

And do well or/and beat other P4P guys.

For example, Kovalev is STILL number 2 on my list.

And that's because I firmly believe that only Ward beats him in a P4P fight- and each time it happened it was close, even the decisive KO was a close fight.

Loma has NO SUCH win and worse has LOST to a guy that IS NOT elite. Worse, him or his people are not doing enough to get Salido back in the ring to correct that misstep.

Real champs, real P4P guys avenge losses or do the rematch to erase ALL DOUBT in close fights.

I don't see that from Loma yet.

So he stays at #9 P4P on my list...and even that is kind of a gift since I named 10 guys who have better wins than he does earlier in the thread.[/QUOT

Lomachenko would wreck Salido in a rematch, it's a pointless fight. Ward shouldn't be at # 1 anyway but I don't make the rules and as much as a I like Kovalev he is not as skilled as Loma or Crawford, even Thurman should be higher then Sergey.

[Visceral]

He is consistently beating better opposition than Rigo over the last couple years.

[TheCell8]

Well I can't really defend Lomachenko being top 3 P4P, but he definitely deserves to be ranked higher than Rigo.

His resume is superior to Rigo's because he's actually fought better opponents. The Fact that GRJ looks unstoppable right now at 126 gives Lomachenko's resume a huge boost over Rigo's.

It matters what your opponents do after you beat them. If you beat a guy that's on a winning streak and he does **** afterwards, all that means is that they weren't that good to begin with.

Look at where Donaire is right now. He got demolished by Nicholas Walters, another guy Lomachenko beat, and he got schooled by Magdaleno. The Donaire fight is Rigo's biggest win and that took place 4 years ago. He hasn't faced anyone noteworthy in the last 4 years.

[koolkc107]

Lomachenko would wreck Salido in a rematch, it's a pointless fight. Ward shouldn't be at # 1 anyway but I don't make the rules and as much as a I like Kovalev he is not as skilled as Loma or Crawford, even Thurman should be higher then Sergey.

We don't know that.

After all, Loma was supposed to wreck him in the first fight, weight and all.

He didn't.

Instead, Siri humbled him for a large portion of that fight until Loma found himself late.

See, Floyd didn't take a close victory over Castillo and move on; he rematched him immediately and removed ALL DOUBT.

Lennox Lewis didn't avoid McCall or Rahman; he got right back in with them and removed ALL DOUBT.

Froch didn't talk about his business with Groves being done. He got right back in and removed ALL DOUBT.

I am not seeing that out of Loma.

And I am seeing him avoid certain guys as well.

No, he stays at 9 on my list and is fortunate to be that high.

Hope that changes tho, he really looks the part.

[NO/BS2468]

We don't know that.

After all, Loma was supposed to wreck him in the first fight, weight and all.

He didn't.

Instead, Siri humbled him for a large portion of that fight until Loma found himself late.

See, Floyd didn't take a close victory over Castillo and move on; he rematched him immediately and removed ALL DOUBT.

Lennox Lewis didn't avoid McCall or Rahman; he got right back in with them and removed ALL DOUBT.

Froch didn't talk about his business with Groves being done. He got right back in and removed ALL DOUBT.

I am not seeing that out of Loma.

And I am seeing him avoid certain guys as well.

No, he stays at 9 on my list and is fortunate to be that high.

Hope that changes tho, he really looks the part.

We agree to disagree on Loma but other than that good chat, respect bro.

[koolkc107]

We agree to disagree on Loma but other than that good chat, respect bro.

Respect.

We can disagree yet still agree the points hold validity.

You made some good ones here.

[Banko Villas]

Lomachenko is more active and his best win (Walters) beat the **** out of Rigondeaux's best win (Donaire). However, you can put them in any order you want. Rigo is undefeated and got more wins, Lomachenko got the better signature win and is more active. Both are fantastic fighters.

I would probably pick Lomachenko to win if they fought, due to the size difference, but then again... Eastern Europeans have a mysterious tendency to constantly fall against skilled black opponents. (Vitali-Lewis, Kovalev-Ward, Postol-Crawford, Troyanovski-Indongo, Wladimir-Joshua, etc., etc., etc.)

[RetroSpeed05]

You got eyes.

The Donaire that Walters fought had shown noticeable decline in the two fights prior even tho they were Ws.

For example, he was down on 2 of three cards before he stopped Darchinyan, the same guy he'd destroyed 6 years earlier.


Don't try to be cute.

Rigo literally fought Nonito when he was struggling he came with a sd fight with Vazquez and a hard fight he could have lost to Mathebula. After Rigo he was losing to Darchinyan which was a tune up everyone said he was going to destroy. He hasn't been the same in a while only fighting small old Arce and Nishioka. When he moved up to fight the bigger man Walters destroyed him and Walters would have destroyed the same one Rigo fought. Different level when you start facing better opponents your size.

[GhostofDempsey]

Rigo's best win since he turned pro 8 years ago: Donaire by 12 round UD.

Loma's best wins since he turned pro 4 years ago: Russell Jr. and Walters--you remember Walters right...the guy who beat Donaire's ass into submission in round 6 with ease?