Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Has 'Big Interest' in Fighting Tony Bellew, Says Hearn

[Boxing Logic]

The guy has never lost a fight since he was 13, cleaned out 168, beat the boogeyman man at 175 twice and even stopped him.. some would say that is enough to cement his name in the history.. Now he wants go up and fight the guy who beat Haye!! But don't want to give him any credit? Get off GGG nut man. Your love for one guy shouldn't make you envy another.

Did you actually watch the Haye fight? Haye was kicking his ass, then he tore his ankle. If Bellew actually rematches Haye and beats a healthy Haye, then the Ward fight would be more credible, but watching Bellew get outboxed by an old David Haye doesn't get me excited for this, sorry. If you didn't watch that fight, then your opinion is forgivable, but if you actually watched the fight then I don't know what to tell you. Bellew beat a guy with a torn achilles in the ring who couldn't move.

I mean look at this ****:



You see what the tweet says lol? Haye fought five rounds with that injury and Bellew still couldn't knock him out. ZERO power at that level. Haye is a bum that's why Stevenson walked right through him. Why are you even trying to hype that victory? Unless you didn't see the fight, then you are just proving what I said about being a fanboy even more.

As for Kovalev, both fights were complete robberies each in their own way, and the second one Ward had Marquez-like steroid acne all over his back to go along with magic new lats and traps only seven months after the last fight. Anyone with experience in weight lifting knows Ward's gains from November to June this year were completely unnatural, even for an elite athlete.

So it's the same situation again. If you didn't see the acne, if you didn't compare how Ward looked for the rematch vs the first fight, if you don't know that any shot where the entire glove is below the belly button is illegal per the Marquess of Queensberry rules, then your opinion can be forgiven because you didn't know. But if you know all the these things, but choose to willfully ignore them just to prop up Ward because you like him, then that makes you a fanboy, and far from objective.

[Gentblue]

And if GGG ducked Canelo would you be like, "yeah a real champ would have fought Canelo, but GGG said no to that idea, so that's what it is." You just state this **** like a fact, like "well my daddy said no so that's all there is to it. I have no opinion on the matter." You're right, Ward is saying no to traveling once again, which is why he's a fake ass champion.

He's going up in weight genius it's not like he's staying at the same weight and fighting someone else. I want the fight but I understand why it's not happening. Also what are you talking about GGG and Nelo is nothing like this.

[Boxing Logic]

He's going up in weight genius it's not like he's staying at the same weight and fighting someone else. I want the fight but I understand why it's not happening. Also what are you talking about GGG and Nelo is nothing like this.

He's going up in weight to fight someone his size, who also moved up in weight. If he went up in weight to fight Usyk or even Gassiev, it would be another story, but Bellew? You can twist it how you want, at the end of the day Ward is fighting a C-level fighter the same size as him. Either fighting an A-level fighter his size, or a B-level fighter bigger than him, could both be sold as legitimate matchups. But a C-level fighter who is actually no bigger than him? That's a terrible matchup! I'm sorry but it's just the truth.

[Ake-Dawg]

Ward walks around at 210. They are the same size. Where am I getting that number? Virgil Hunter himself said Ward sometimes walked around at 200 when he was fighting at 168. That was two years ago. Everyone commented how much muscle he put on for the Kovalev rematch, with the acne all over his back, so you can guess what he is now. Could be 5 pounds lighter than Bellew, could even be 5 pounds bigger by the time the fight happens.

Is it 205 or 210? Your previous post said 205 I believe. I also see how hard you are trying to create a Ward is in PEDs message. Sad really. What's funny is we typically celebrate fighters for moving up in weight.

We get it...you only want Ward to fight the guys you believe will beat him. Your hater status is APPROVED!

[Metho_4u]

Of course not. The rules do not apply to Andre Ward. We found that out on June 17th, and every fight of his career preceding. Bellew-Ward, I can't think of a worse matchup.

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[2Slick]

As a Ward fan I would like to see him fight Adonis for lineal and undisputed. It would be better for his legacy and he can move up afterwards

[Metho_4u]

Did you actually watch the Haye fight? Haye was kicking his ass, then he tore his ankle. If Bellew actually rematches Haye and beats a healthy Haye, then the Ward fight would be more credible, but watching Bellew get outboxed by an old David Haye doesn't get me excited for this, sorry. If you didn't watch that fight, then your opinion is forgivable, but if you actually watched the fight then I don't know what to tell you. Bellew beat a guy with a torn achilles in the ring who couldn't move.

I mean look at this ****:



You see what the tweet says lol? Haye fought five rounds with that injury and Bellew still couldn't knock him out. ZERO power at that level. Haye is a bum that's why Stevenson walked right through him. Why are you even trying to hype that victory? Unless you didn't see the fight, then you are just proving what I said about being a fanboy even more.

As for Kovalev, both fights were complete robberies each in their own way, and the second one Ward had Marquez-like steroid acne all over his back to go along with magic new lats and traps only seven months after the last fight. Anyone with experience in weight lifting knows Ward's gains from November to June this year were completely unnatural, even for an elite athlete.

So it's the same situation again. If you didn't see the acne, if you didn't compare how Ward looked for the rematch vs the first fight, if you don't know that any shot where the entire glove is below the belly button is illegal per the Marquess of Queensberry rules, then your opinion can be forgiven because you didn't know. But if you know all the these things, but choose to willfully ignore them just to prop up Ward because you like him, then that makes you a fanboy, and far from objective.

Still not over kovalev losing huh? Awesome!

[Gentblue]

He's going up in weight to fight someone his size, who also moved up in weight. If he went up in weight to fight Usyk or even Gassiev, it would be another story, but Bellew? You can twist it how you want, at the end of the day Ward is fighting a C-level fighter the same size as him. Either fighting an A-level fighter his size, or a B-level fighter bigger than him, could both be sold as legitimate matchups. But a C-level fighter who is actually no bigger than him? That's a terrible matchup! I'm sorry but it's just the truth.

Sooooo fight an A level guy you your first time out at a new weight class??... very few people due that and only if the money is right ( see GGG/Brook).

Also you keep bringing up weight you know their is a difference between fighting weight and walking around weight? You have to become accustomed to that things like power ,speed change.

Bellew ( former WBC Champ so B minus level)is fine to test the waters then go for greater heights.

[Boxing Logic]

Is it 205 or 210? Your previous post said 205 I believe. I also see how hard you are trying to create a Ward is in PEDs message. Sad really. What's funny is we typically celebrate fighters for moving up in weight.

We get it...you only want Ward to fight the guys you believe will beat him. Your hater status is APPROVED!

I don't believe anyone will beat Ward, not if he's on PEDs and has corrupt refs and judges on his side. I just want to see the best fight the best. Stevenson is 39 years old, and I believe he's only looked good lately because he still gets to fight with no drug testing, or USADA, or whatever he's using. Ward will put him on VADA and then his speed and stamina will go to **** just in time for Ward to fight him. But is it better than Bellew? Yes because Bellew sucks.

205 or 210? I never said I personally weighed Ward. I explained where I got those numbers. Ward walked around at 195-200 when he fought at 168 according to his trainer, and now he looks 10-15 pounds bigger. He could be anywhere from 205 to 215 naturally at this point. Why do you think they are talking about Joshua who fights at 250 pounds? If they weighed 190 they would never think about that no matter how skilled they believe Ward is. You're not going to fight a gold medalist who has 60 pounds on you. But if they are already 205 to 215, and they think they can get to 220-230 with the growth PED they appear to be using, well that's Deontay Wilder weight, that's in the ballpark, that they can make work for them considering they will also have a huge speed advantage against the giant.

We celebrate fighters for moving up in weight against top guys, like Cotto, Margarito, even Floyd fighting Canelo, minus the catchweight. And yes I know Cotto and Margs were too, but Cotto had just been at 140, and Margarito had been at 147 for much of his prime, so fighting Cotto 5 pounds higher than his best weight, and Margarito 5 pounds higher than his best weight, is hardly something to criticize for a midget like Pacquiao who should have been fighting at 135 in the first place, not 152. Canelo on the other hand fought his whole young prime at 154, and was known for struggling to make 154 and already having stamina problems there.

But regardless, going up in weight to fight the best is commendable. But when you use going up in weight as a way to dodge the best fighters, while still tricking the fans into thinking you're great because "hey I moved up in weight!" then that's different. When you know you have a problem with athletic southpaws, so you duck Lucian Bute at 168 and then move up in weight, that's not commendable. When there is no one to truly cherry pick at 175 because it's a much better division, but you scope out the slowest champion in the division who you think suits your style, who has just had a kid, and who you have spies in his gym telling you he's gotten lazy and been drinking a lot of vodka lately, then fight him but still lose anyway only to get the robbery, then get forced to rematch him so you take PEDs until you have acne all over your back, but still lose 5 of the first 7 rounds against him until you get so desperate you hit him with 14 fouls in one round only to have your latest corrupt referee stop it and award you a fake TKO, that's not commendable.

When you're lucky enough to have a chance to fully unify the division as a result of gifts you were given, but you're so ungrateful for those gifts that it looks like you're planning to duck the chance to unify with Stevenson because he's also an athletic southpaw and you know from your amateur days that those give you problems, that's also not commendable.

This is what Team Ward does. Ward even admitted it. Before the first Kovalev fight, when asked about what he planned to do afterwards, Ward said maybe cruiserweight or heavyweight because "Virgil might have identified someone there" or "something there," forget the exact words. That's what they do. Ward has never cleaned out an entire division. Going up in weight has never been an issue for him probably because they have access to that undetectable growth hormone or whatever it appears to be. What has been an issue for them is fighting the best guys. So if weight is no issue for you, but fighting top fighters without cheating is, what do you do? Well what Team CoWard admits to doing is cherry picking certain styles at each weight to fight, while ducking the rest, and then selling to gullible fans that they're "clearing out divisions" when they never have, not even at 168.

If you buy their propaganda, that's on you. All I can tell you is they only sold 3,000 tickets for the Kovalev rematch, and even less people bought the PPV than the first fight. You may not have figured out the Andre Ward con yet, but thankfully for the sake of boxing, most other boxing fans have. His fan base is shrinking at the same rate the apparent PED pimples are growing all over his back.

Smart fans have figured the game out. Don't hate on these cheaters or pay to watch them lose. Just boycott them. Don't pay hard earned money to support known cheating fighters who always bring with them cheating referees and judges wherever the go. Expose their cheating with posts online and when you talk boxing with your friends, but otherwise ignore and boycott them, and eventually networks and promoters will stop paying them to fight bums when those fights don't generate any money or interest. And hopefully, if the corrupt commissions see that setting up fights results in them losing customers by the droves, they will eventually stop doing that too. Until then, all we can do is keep our money as far away from all those corrupt cheaters as possible.

[Jedi Vader]

The guy has never lost a fight since he was 13, cleaned out 168, beat the boogeyman man at 175 twice and even stopped him.. some would say that is enough to cement his name in the history.. Now he wants go up and fight the guy who beat Haye!! But don't want to give him any credit? Get off GGG nut man. Your love for one guy shouldn't make you envy another.

I guarantee that had Kovalev beat Ward and then demanded Bellew, this twat BoxingLogic would be wanking himself blind over it.