Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Ward-Kovalev II Ending, Canelo-VADA, More

[Ray*]

Funny how dirrell gets hate for getting hit after the bell and acting like he is out but flores is getting hailed as a hero for his acting skils......

Breadman called him out here.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The Words Accidental and Foul Shoukdnt be in Ward's Lexicon

Ward didn't accidentally foul Kov, he repeated nut hunted. Ward's entire style is built on fouling and he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

[TonyGe]

Breadman, all I ask is that you rewatch the 8th round one last time, and pay special attention to the sequence starting with Ward's intentional headbutt of Kovalev at 1:50 of the 8th round, followed immediately by a left hook to Kovalev's balls, then a strafing right uppercut to Kovalev's balls, then another left hook right below the belt line. In real time the last two look on the belt line, but only because they ride up so fast. Watch it slow in HD, and you will see both shots are low. And anyway, the first two fouls are clear as day even in real speed, so it shouldn't matter.

One headbutt to the face, followed by three low blows, all within the span of 4 seconds. Who wouldn't be "worn down" by that? But Weeks wouldn't penalize Ward and let Kovalev rest, so Kovalev never got his legs back. A few seconds later Ward hit Kovalev with what looked like another low blow at 1:38 but the camera blocked it, making that four fouls out of his last four punches, and in the very next exchange Kovalev left his hands down and got caught, and we know the rest.

I know for a fact no objective boxing fan could ignore blatant cheating and corruption like that. Either you're way more biased than you think, or you missed it in real time, so please go back and watch. It all starts with an intentional headbutt to the face at 1:50 of the 8th round, followed immediately by 3 consecutive intentional low blows. Anyone reading, you need to see it to believe it. Check it out. Ward's entire "victory" was based off that sequence of repeated, intentional cheating, and a corrupt referee's collusion in failing to enforce the rules. If you weren't aware of that sequence, then you still don't know what really happened in that fight. Anyone who wants to discuss the fight in the future and give their "take" needs to see that first, otherwise they will be speaking in ignorance.

There were a lot of borderline punches by Ward and the definate low ones you mentioned. The fight should not be ended by a series of fouls. Kovalev should have been given a rest period and Ward deducted a point for fouling.

[BOXINGADICT]

breadman called him out here.

im glad someone did... On youtube and all the boxing podcasts people are calling rigo dirty like accidental shots after the bell dont happen all the time....

[Shadoww702]

WAIT

Is Canelo enrolled in VADA?

He was just VADA tested at least 6 times for the Chavez fight. Both blood and urine.

[SUBZER0ED]

I disagree with Bread's assessment that Weeks could not see the low blows. He was standing right there and even appeared to slightly bend down to focus on the action. Weeks failed miserably to even warn Ward against low blows & erroneously ended the fight after the lowest shot of all landed. He should have stopped the action, warned Ward to keep his shots up & given Kovalev 5 minutes to recover. Kovalev should have taken a knee and complained of getting hit low, instead of merely doubling over & screaming out in pain; hoping Weeks would do his job of keeping the fight clean.

[Progrssive_Jedi]

The guy who wrote in to say canelo is dirty is a imbecilic twat, probably that clown jubei/maxi. He says BECAUSE he doesn't want wbc belt,& claims it's because he won't be forced to test yr round. Only dvmbazzs think that wbc clean fighter program means any of that. All it means is fighters are ENCOURAGED to use vada IN CAMP,& it has nothing to do with being tested yr round. Its sad that bread is so ignorantly going along with this bs.

Thats why floydie was sued & lost over making ******ed accusations like those. Bread doesnt know this,& basically agrees blindly. Canelos been 1 of the main fighters using vada from beginning & demanding it. If I hate someone I wont slander them over it. Fighters should be commended for always using vada,& these clown journos shouldnt talk out their ass about serious shît.

And only vs liam smith did he not use vada, because uk tests smith,so smith cancelled vada.

They canceled VADA but Smith wasn't the reason. A ****ing blind man can see that. Canelo hadn't made 154 in three years. Last time he tried to failed. But they just ducked GGG and needed a 154 fight to save face. So they took one, refused VADA, and suddenly Canelo made weight and still performed. PED can make that a lot easier.

As for what Breadman said, "I don’t want to speculate but you have an interesting point."

That's hardly an endorsement of the claim. Just saying the WBC situation doesn't make much sense considering they helped make Canelo.

[SonnyboyReturns]

Only the thumb portion of Ward's glove landed on or near the top of Kovalev's belt line The rest of the glove (fist) landed below that point, which is classified as LOW.

You can clearly see Ward's glove hitting the belt line as shown by the red arrow. It also covers the "Krusher" logo which is obstructed by kovalev's arm.

First the Hublot air pocket gets crushed without any impact damage. Then Kovalev's body absorbs the impact when Ward's glove crashes into his belt. That's a borderline shot.

All legal blows debate over. Accept reality and admit Kovalev got his ass kicked.

[daggum]

this guy always carries water for the corrupt establishment and excuses their corruption. the ref couldnt see the low blows? he was literally a foot away. they were borderline? no they were not. 2 hit him in the letters of his trunks and one hit him in the leg. earlier in the fight punches that landed even higher than that were deemed low by the same ref. he suddenly forgot the rules when it helped the a-side fighter. seen that story before. no surprise that kovalev appealed to the ref for help since he thought an illegal punch in the 2nd would still be illegal in the 7th and 8th but alas it was not. instead of calling out weeks for his terrible reffing he blames the guy being fouled. stop thinking logically kovalev! dont you know that refs change what is legal nad what isnt all the time! keep fighting!

[daggum]

You can clearly see Ward's glove hitting the belt line as shown by the red arrow. It also covers the "Krusher" logo which is obstructed by kovalev's arm.

First the Hublot air pocket gets crushed without any impact damage. Then Kovalev's body absorbs the impact when Ward's glove crashes into his belt. That's a borderline shot.

All legal blows debate over. Accept reality and admit Kovalev got his ass kicked.

so you are saying if 1 percent of the pucnh lands clean and the other 99 percent is low its still clean? thats not how it works in the rules. the ref hismelf said anything below here is low and that landed well below where he said. i dont remember him saying well if the hublot air pocket gets crushed without any damage then its legal.