Why Is Ward An Intelligent Fighter When His Strongest Attributes Are Illegal?

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  • iamboxing
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    #51
    Originally posted by The Gambler1981
    knowing how and when to do things (legal or illegal) is probably the most important aspect of boxing.
    really...that's the most important thing in boxing?

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    • The Gambler1981
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      #52
      Originally posted by iamboxing
      really...that's the most important thing in boxing?
      Knowing when to do the right thing at the right time (legal or illegal) to have maximum effect is very important. If someone does things just to do them that is pretty much a waste of effort but doing something at the right moment makes someone very hard to fight. It is a sign of high in ring intellect in the ring and they say boxing is 90% mental.


      You are also taking that out of context because illegal is just a part of it if someone only know when to pull out dirty moves they can be difficult to fight but they won't really be able to beat top end competition. A guy has to know how to mix it in with actually boxing to be effective with it. Knowing that mix and how to mix it in properly yea that is important.
      Last edited by The Gambler1981; 06-26-2017, 10:10 PM.

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        #53
        Originally posted by The Gambler1981
        Knowing when to do the right thing at the right time (legal or illegal) to have maximum effect is very important. If someone does things just to do them that is pretty much a waste of effort but doing something at the right moment makes someone very hard to fight. It is a sign of high in ring intellect in the ring and they say boxing is 90% mental.
        So adding plaster of Paris in wraps, removing padding from gloves, or taking PEDs is all good as long as you can get away with it, huh? Marvelous!

        Have a trophy:

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        • The Gambler1981
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          #54
          Originally posted by Vlad_
          So adding plaster of Paris in wraps, removing padding from gloves, or taking PEDs is all good as long as you can get away with it, huh? Marvelous!

          Have a trophy:

          How does any of that apply to Ward? Has Ward done any of those acts? All the rules Ward breaks are fouls in the flow of the game, he gives out professional fouls~ not some crazy things that change who he is as a fighter.

          Maybe he is on PEDs who knows though~

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          • Mr Objecitivity
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            #55
            The literal answer to your question is Ward isn't a very 'intelligent fighter'. So your question is moot from the start. Of course, Ward is relatively more intelligent as a boxer than journeymens / bums. However, he doesn't possess any extra intelligence compared to other top level fighters like Sergey Kovalev.

            However, if you're asking why Andre Ward is CONSIDERED an 'intelligent fighter' by some, then the answer to that question is those individuals are either lying, or are ignorant. They're lying probably because they are bias towards their favorite boxers and want them to win at any cost. They're probably ignorant because they are not very well versed in logical thinking and logical fallacies. Thus, they are easily misled into believing falsehood by groups / individuals with specific agendas, such as HBO.

            In reality, Andre Ward performing illegal moves without being penalized correctly is a result of favoritism towards Andre Ward whilst handicapping his opponents by the officials / referees / judges and etc. This isn't necessarily due to Andre Ward's intelligence, but due to tribalism towards the home fighter that is most respected in his home country.

            This brings us to the next point, which is regarding what would happen if Andre Ward competed in a neutral country with no favoritism towards him by the refs, judges, officials and etc. whilst his opponents weren't handicapped? Based on how well Kovalev and other top opponents of Ward did even whilst handicapped, it's rational to argue that they'd do even better without being handicapped, to the point where they'd most likely win.

            Hence, I think both Sergey Kovalev and GGG would beat Andre Ward in a neutral country like Australia, New Zealand or Western Europe. Either by stoppage or Andre Ward getting disqualified if the rules are properly enforced.

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              #56
              Give the man his props. He is a highly intelligent boxer. He knows his strenghts and on which locations he can deploy them. There's a reason why he never fights a top fighter overseas.

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              • SplitSecond
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                #57
                He's definitely very clever. The one great thing I notice when he is in there. This also is evident in interviews when he talks, he's smart not just as a boxer.

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                  #58
                  People can't bear the fact of what real men are made of. Whatever the theory may be, even in the times of prize fighting, all men tugged of war in a clinch. That's what refs were for, to "break up" fighters. If we trusted all men to break themselves and follow the rules we wouldn't need refs just warnings sounds. Even Kovalev holds when the heat is on. Tyson held when the heat was on. Everybody has, it's part of the sport, and that's the misconception of the m. Queensbury rules..

                  I dare any of you to just bend your torso for a body jab and slip out, the same way Mayweather did it... that **** is hard as fûck to physically do. You need to have 20 years of general experience to fancy the best of body shots and slip back out avoiding a counter, speed is underrated. That fact that Ward can do this gracefully at LHW, as Kova can do it too but not as fast Ward, says what about those two with a body jab?!

                  Chilemba, Bhop, Pascal, none of those guys even have the reflexes like Ward. That's not putting them down, though Bhop in the earlier days was fancy because he hence he was younger and had great defense too. Pacquiao has always dipped out of pockets only to reset, strike, pop out, redo... Soem would call that "running" or as Ward haters say, "cheating."

                  Just because Ward knows how to literally bull rush forward as a defensive tactic is his game. Tyson did this all the time the only difference is that Tyson was swinging at the same against bigger guys, nor does Ward FEEL to bob and weave...Boxing fans just butthurt that clinching is part of the game, and all of Ward's opponents including Kova himself has clinched so may of you just come off as sore losers..

                  How many times did Ward's sequence of counter defensive moves making Kova miss repeatedly? How does that make Kova's experience look? Yes!!! Absorb that in and just appreciate that Ward is the better fighter.

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                  • Chollo Vista
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by BattlingNelson
                    Give the man his props. He is a highly intelligent boxer. He knows his strenghts and on which locations he can deploy them. There's a reason why he never fights a top fighter overseas.
                    I never understood this logic.

                    At the end if the day, it's two men and a referree in the ring. Whether it's in Idaho or England, why does the location matter to you so much? Unless you're insinuating that one of your favorite Europeans would have certain undisclosed advantages overseas?

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Chollo Vista
                      I never understood this logic.
                      Are you new to boxing or just trolling?

                      Serious question.

                      At the end if the day, it's two men and a referree in the ring. Whether it's in Idaho or England, why does the location matter to you so much? Unless you're insinuating that one of your favorite Europeans would have certain undisclosed advantages overseas?
                      Keywords:
                      Language, camp break-up, jetlag, food, hostile crowd, rival promotor in control. I could go on and on. The way Mikkel Kessler was (mis)treated is a textbook example.

                      Why did Roy Jones elect not to fight Michalszewski in germany and vice versa? Why did Sven Ottke not travel? Etc.etc.

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