Heavyweight Duck Soup

[koolkc107]

Listen, I didn't want to go there, but it seems I am going to have to.

I see a lot of posters ****ing on Wilder for not taking Hearns offer and coming across the pond to fight Whyte.

On the surface, this would seem the right reaction.

Hell, maybe he should just take the money and KHTFO.

But, we are supposed to be better than that.

We are supposed to be hard core fans who understand at least some of the nuances in our sport when it comes to promotion and matchmaking.

It isn't as simple as Deontay just "taking the money".

And when you really start asking a few questions, it starts to unravel from anything making sense.

So let me get this straight:

Hearns wants a champion (Wilder) who is much higher profile than Charles Martin (who he gave 8.5M to for a fight with AJ) to "prove his marketability" by fighting Dillan Whyte for just 3M? This after he promised Wilder a shot at AJ already? Why isn't Hearn offering Wilder the same 10M Wlad got and doing another huge fight in Wembley? Does anyone doubt it would be huge?

There is no rematch clause that Wlad can invoke. AJ is free to fight Wilder next if he wants to and he should want to.

You can't sit there and wonder why Wilder isn't grabbing that 3M without ALSO WONDERING why Hearn isn't making arguably the biggest fight that can be made in the division (yes, I know a Wlad rematch is just as big or bigger, but Klitschko is oddly silent about getting in there again and a fight with Wilder win or lose won't make that rematch much less of a fight).

In other words, if you are calling Wilder a duck for not taking the fight with Whyte, why aren't you calling out AJ for not pressing for a fight with Deontay?

[Jewish-Reptile]

Doesn't Klitschko have a rematch clause ?

[koolkc107]

Doesn't Klitschko have a rematch clause ?

Only AJ had one.

But really, as huge as that fight did, does Wlad really need one?

The point really isn't about Wlad, we would all like to see that one again pretty much before anything.

But, it's been 2 months already. Enough time for someone who really wanted a rematch to make a decision.

Hearns needs to stop bullcrapping and put AJ in there with Deontay...now!

[Jewish-Reptile]

Only AJ had one.

But really, as huge as that fight did, does Wlad really need one?

The point really isn't about Wlad, we would all like to see that one again pretty much before anything.

But, it's been 2 months already. Enough time for someone who really wanted a rematch to make a decision.

Hearns needs to stop bullcrapping and put AJ in there with Deontay...now!

Parker is likely to face Acne Furry and Bellew, the Parker fight will be huge in the UK by the time he's knocked those two creme puffs out.

Joshua bs Klitschko will likely happen in Vegas allowing more time to build up his next opponent, if Wilder is serious about wanting Joshua he should face Whyte, i don't understand why he is reluctant.

[Deus]

For the 200th time... AJ is not free to target Wilder next. Even if you're gonna claim that Klitschko doesn't have a rematch clause (how on earth you'd know that is beyond me?) so Joshua can ignore Klitschko he cannot ignore Pulev. IBF have stipulated that Pulev is next (or next after Klitschko) and that there can be no unifications in between.

End of thread.

[Earl-Hickey]

Only AJ had one.

But really, as huge as that fight did, does Wlad really need one?

The point really isn't about Wlad, we would all like to see that one again pretty much before anything.

But, it's been 2 months already. Enough time for someone who really wanted a rematch to make a decision.

Hearns needs to stop bullcrapping and put AJ in there with Deontay...now!

No that is absolutley false

Klitschko DOES have a contractual rematch clause, put in the contract for the first fight which hearn and AJ agreed to in order to secure the highest profile opponent possible.

Currently hearn and AJ have to wait to see if klitschko will trigger the clause, as he hasn't decided yet.

The IBF have granted a one off exemption for the Pulev mandatory which is ONLY valid for klitschko, and NO OTHER opponents including unifications is acceptable.

So, if Klitschko doesn't enforce his rematch, Joshua MUST fight pulev or be stripped.

So....

thread is pointless then?

[Earl-Hickey]

Parker is likely to face Acne Furry and Bellew, the Parker fight will be huge in the UK by the time he's knocked those two creme puffs out.

Joshua bs Klitschko will likely happen in Vegas allowing more time to build up his next opponent, if Wilder is serious about wanting Joshua he should face Whyte, i don't understand why he is reluctant.

He doesnt want it with whyte.

Look, let's be real here duhaupas and molina both gave wilder problems, szpilka and washington took a lot of rounds off him, his hands are held together with screws and his bicep tore off the bone and is precarious.

Wilders team want that huge $10 million+ payday, they are hanging out for it.

Can you imagine wilder in there with dillian whyte and his right hand breaks again in the first round? Even if he gets through it, that could be his career with another injury?

He fought washington like a guy who was scared to throw for fear of injuring his hands.

It'll be easy set up jobs until either a tough opponent gets mandated y the wbc or hearn throws him a bone via the joshua fight.

[The Ninth Layer]

Promoters do this **** all the time, for publicity or grandstanding purposes or whatever else.

Golden Boy did the same **** with Khan-Bradley. "We offered Bradley 2 million and he wouldn't accept" or whatever. 2 million sounds like great money until you learn the terms offered with it. Who promotes? Who profits off the event? Who picks the arena? The judges?

As fans we're not the ones negotiating contracts so we should always take the word of promoters with a grain of salt.

[Jewish-Reptile]

He doesnt want it with whyte.

Look, let's be real here duhaupas and molina both gave wilder problems, szpilka and washington took a lot of rounds off him, his hands are held together with screws and his bicep tore off the bone and is precarious.

Wilders team want that huge $10 million+ payday, they are hanging out for it.

Can you imagine wilder in there with dillian whyte and his right hand breaks again in the first round? Even if he gets through it, that could be his career with another injury?

He fought washington like a guy who was scared to throw for fear of injuring his hands.

It'll be easy set up jobs until either a tough opponent gets mandated y the wbc or hearn throws him a bone via the joshua fight.

I just don't understand why he'd avoid Whyte, the guy is no better than anyone he's already faced and defeated.

Ok I understand reservations and concerns over his lack of actual 'boxing' talent but he's surely confident of beating Whyte. That would be the fight to elevate him to being recognised by the UK fans as an actual champion, right now he knows nobody has even heard of him outside of Alabama and boxing scene.

[*TonyMontana*]

I just don't understand why he'd avoid Whyte, the guy is no better than anyone he's already faced and defeated.

Ok I understand reservations and concerns over his lack of actual 'boxing' talent but he's surely confident of beating Whyte. That would be the fight to elevate him to being recognised by the UK fans as an actual champion, right now he knows nobody has even heard of him outside of Alabama and boxing scene.

Beating whyte makes him an actual champion lmao haha wtf