Dwyer on Ward-Kovalev II

[sunny31]

Cliff Rold actually agrees with me as can be seen in his post-fight grades article. He calls those saying that there was no fouls liars.

He also said a lot of other things, so just throwing that in there like that is out of context. I think everyone agrees that the last shot was a low one, and a few borderline from both guys. This is completely normal in a long fight where body punches are thrown, you see low blows every single fight, especially the kind we saw on Saturday.

The reason why this has been made into a big deal is the stoppage, and Kovalev (over)reacting to them in 7 and 8, where the majority of the body punches were legal. He looked like a fighter who was struggling to keep his head above water and looking for breaks, I think that is why there is such a hot debate and divided opinion on this. Tony Weeks ruined the possibility of a definitive outcome.

I also agree with the above poster that you are biased against Ward in this. I have been here long enough to know how much of a big Kessler fan you were, because I was as well. I guess some people have the ability to be impartial but most people don't, that is what I have learned here over the past 11 years.

[BattlingNelson]

He also said a lot of other things, so just throwing that in there like that is out of context. I think everyone agrees that the last shot was a low one, and a few borderline from both guys. This is completely normal in a long fight where body punches are thrown, you see low blows every single fight, especially the kind we saw on Saturday.

The reason why this has been made into a big deal is the stoppage, and Kovalev (over)reacting to them in 7 and 8, where the majority of the body punches were legal. He looked like a fighter who was struggling to keep his head above water and looking for breaks, I think that is why there is such a hot debate and divided opinion on this. Tony Weeks ruined the possibility of a definitive outcome.

I also agree with the above poster that you are biased against Ward in this. I have been here long enough to know how much of a big Kessler fan you were, because I was as well. I guess some people have the ability to be impartial but most people don't, that is what I have learned here over the past 11 years.

If you have been here a long time, you would also know that I hate dirty fighters regardless of where they come from.

In this particular case it's clear that Weeks made a mistake. He should have given Kovalev a 5 min break and deducted a point from Ward. How can anybody disagree with that?

[juggernaut666]

If you have been here a long time, you would also know that I hate dirty fighters regardless of where they come from.

In this particular case it's clear that Weeks made a mistake. He should have given Kovalev a 5 min break and deducted a point from Ward. How can anybody disagree with that?

You cant....those are THE rules to give a 5 min option IF ( in Weeks case he did ) the ref sees a low blow ,you just dont ignore it bc the other guy was hurt by legal ones , ****** mofos everywhere ...lol!

[BattlingNelson]

You cant....those are THE rules to give a 5 min option IF ( in Weeks case he did ) the ref sees a low blow ,you just dont ignore it bc the other guy was hurt by legal ones , ****** mofos everywhere ...lol!

Yeah. It's like some posters here is simply unaware of the rules of boxing. Must be new fans.

[The Hammer]

Yeah. It's like some posters here is simply unaware of the rules of boxing. Must be new fans.

Or people who just was their fighter to get the win, regardless of whether it's fair or not.

[The Hammer]

W/JayZ done losing millions #Ward & his smug ass is about to find out what a boring style & lack of a fanbase is really worth #boxing pic.twitter.com/qGvMrVsd07

— Haymonites (@ego_biggest) June 28, 2017

[Derranged]

Didn't watch the video, but Weeks definitely messed up. Kovalev should've been given 5 minutes to recover after the last punch Ward landed.

[champion4ever]

Why are we still bumping this old stuff? It's been nine days now. Please let it rest!

[champion4ever]

Debatable at best. He was hurt going into the ropes. He was already bending over when the final shot hit him, why? Because he was hurt.

I don't think you're objective when it comes to Ward anyways because I know you have a long history of not liking the guy, since his fight with Kessler.

I'm being objective though myself because I'm not a fan of either guy, I just wanteda good fight and there were few better fights in the sport and anytime a #1 vs #2 in a division happens, I get excited! For the record I absolutely wanted Kovalev to win as I thought Ward's behavior during the pre-fight build up was pretty cunty and I was hoping Ward would be humbled. But as it turns out, it's Kovalev who has shown poor character. But that's neither here nor there; all that outside the ring stuff is irrelevant to what happened inside the ring.

I think if everyone were to put their bias aside, the narrative on this site would match reality - that Kovalev got beat up, he got out classed. And that Kovalev looked really bad (both in part because Ward did so well and probably also because Kovalev fought a bad fight technically speaking (his game plan/strategy was bad - following him around the ring rather than using his distance that he is known for proved to be a terrible idea!)).

Good post!

[champion4ever]

LOL is this satire? Or delusion?

-Landed a few good shots?
-Close fights?
-Blatantly foul?

Reality
- Ward landed good shots repeatedly, round after round starting from round 1 and finishing in round 8. Not only did he land good shots, he repeatedly stopped Kovalev in his tracks and rocked him. Ward was the more powerful fighter in the ring Saturday night.

-Other than senile Herold Lederman, everyone who actually scored the fight had Ward dominating. I don't think there is more than one round that was a clear Kovalev round. That one clear round for Kovalev, you can make a cake that he won one, maybe two more rounds (and that's being generous). That is not a close fight.

-As it's been shown repeatedly, most all of the "low blows" were in fact legal punches. Tony Weeks showing what is legal;


That means he had one or two actual low lows. We're they blatant? No way, there was no need for it since Ward was beating Kovalev up. Plus Ward was working the body all fight, something that Kovalev clearly is bothered by. We know he doesn't like body shots - Golovkin stopped him in sparring with a body shot, something confirmed by Kovalev himself. Writer Douglas Fischer saw the video tape as well and said it was something viscous. Kovalev refused to spar Golovkin from that day on.

@AusWomby @jrosales13 I***39;ve seen video of what GGG did with Krusher up in Big Bear a few years ago. It was indeed scary.

— Douglass Fischer (@dougiefischer) February 16, 2015

@BoxingLegal @jrosales13 @AusWomby Stoppage. Body Shot. #GGG #KingOfBigBear

— Douglass Fischer (@dougiefischer) February 16, 2015

Great strategy by Ward attacking the body, that's what did a lot of the damage and Ward had learned that later on in the first fight.

You want a DQ? That's hilarious coming from fans, absolutely pathetic coming from Kovalev who had embarrassed himself with his whining behavior. He talked so much **** going into the fight and absolutely laid an egg. That's who you should be upset with - Kovalev. He's the one that fought terribly.

Listen, I would totally understand your point IF it was an actual good fight and IF Kovalev did something, anything, to suggest he had a slight chance of winning. Instead he was getting battered and was clearly going to get KOd. Hey was done.

Concise, spot on and clearly to the point; Good job!