Comments Thread For: Ward: Kovalev Don't Respect Me? I Never Asked For His Respect!

[SteveM]

Ward is NOT the boogeyman

he is the one you send to kill the boogeyman

Your posts have got ******ed lately, I thought you were better than that.

[SteveM]

I watched this back on YT last night. At half speed and the close rounds at 1/4 speed. The whole process took up the whole evening - about 4 hours. I fell asleep a couple of times. But rewound.

This is what I observed.

The compubox stats are a bunch of crap. The actual scoring punches landed were much much fewer than even the low stats of compubox.
Both fighters are very athletic and have extremely good defensive reflexes.
Both fighters are masters at controlling range - Ward slightly more so than Kovalev. Probably 5-10 times more punches fell just short of range than actually hit.
Ward's punches really are tickles. I think he maybe landed 5 punches the whole fight that actually seemed to affect Kovalev [ you can see a lot at 1/4 speed - I recommend you try it]
That said - Kovalev could not get off effective power punches either. His punches were harder but due to Ward's superb defense I don't think he landed any punches really cleanly other than jabs.
Both fighter's most effective punches were jabs.
Ward saying he didn't take a step back is laughable - he fought off the back foot 95% of the fight.
Kovalev was the aggressor 95% of the fight but it wasn't effective aggression.
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In slo-mo I can see that the ref was absolutely horrible!!!!!!!!!!!! He actually looked the other way many times when they were in clinches and holding. He delayed too long to break them apart when it was obvious they couldn't or wouldn't break apart themselves. Seeing his lack of intervention did make me think that he could have decided [for whatever reason - back-hander?] to be tolerant of clinching. In fairness the answer would be to view his other fights and see if he was as tolerant then. Also, in fairness, I doubt he had ever seen a fight with so much clinching.
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The clinching.
People on here saying that Kovalev was doing it. What I most often saw was this:- Ward would throw a punch and rush in. He would hug Kovalev for dear life as they started staggering backwards and Kovalev would respond by holding Ward's arms trapped beneath his. Very occasionally they would break out of the clinch/hold themselves.
This is what made the fight horrible to watch. Any casuals that bought the first fight on a friend's recommendation - guaranteed they are not buying the rematch. Literally a third of most rounds was taken up by holding. maybe more in a couple of rounds. Horrible!! Bad advert for boxing.
One observation - so good is Ward's balance and athleticism that a few times he was able to free a hand as they were staggering around the ring and actually strike Kovalev on the head)

My scoring

Watching live I had Kovalev 7-5 but watching in slo-mo I saw that what looked like scoring punches actually fell just short or on a glove. Ditto Ward.
Some rounds were actually so close that one punch decided them - for example third round. Most rounds were very close.
Round 10:- this was a round that Kovalev won fairly clearly.- I had 17 punches to 13 landed. That all three judges scored it for Ward is strange. (I think they did right?)

I scored it like this

1/ W
2/ K
3/ K
4/ K
5/ W
6/ W
7/ K
8/ K
9/ W
10/ K
11/ W
12/ In all honesty I fell asleep - this was a horrible wrestling match - plus my patience wore thin .... but if Ward won round 12 he won a maximum of 6 rounds - meaning he lost the fight due to the knock down.

Prediction for tonight's fight more of the same wrestling - horrible horrible to watch. Unless ..... Kovalev has changed something or the referee splits them up more.

In the first fight Kovalev was afraid to take incoming so he needs to just charge in, as Ward did. Maybe Kov fought that way because he thought he was winning after the kd?

will watch tonight more out of curiosity than hopeful for a better fight.

[joseph5620]

Says a man who hit the canvas from a half punch. Ok bud

Says a man who didn't take the punch and has no idea what kind of punch it was. Okay bud.

[MantisToboggan]

T.M.T
aboutfkintime

You two f-kin fools will feel really ****** sunday morning, when Kurshar embarrasses coWard and that shame will be on ya'll.

[Vlad_]

I watched this back on YT last night. At half speed and the close rounds at 1/4 speed. The whole process took up the whole evening - about 4 hours. I fell asleep a couple of times. But rewound.

This is what I observed.

The compubox stats are a bunch of crap. The actual scoring punches landed were much much fewer than even the low stats of compubox.
Both fighters are very athletic and have extremely good defensive reflexes.
Both fighters are masters at controlling range - Ward slightly more so than Kovalev. Probably 5-10 times more punches fell just short of range than actually hit.
Ward's punches really are tickles. I think he maybe landed 5 punches the whole fight that actually seemed to affect Kovalev [ you can see a lot at 1/4 speed - I recommend you try it]
That said - Kovalev could not get off effective power punches either. His punches were harder but due to Ward's superb defense I don't think he landed any punches really cleanly other than jabs.
Both fighter's most effective punches were jabs.
Ward saying he didn't take a step back is laughable - he fought off the back foot 95% of the fight.
Kovalev was the aggressor 95% of the fight but it wasn't effective aggression.
************************************************** ****************
In slo-mo I can see that the ref was absolutely horrible!!!!!!!!!!!! He actually looked the other way many times when they were in clinches and holding. He delayed too long to break them apart when it was obvious they couldn't or wouldn't break apart themselves. Seeing his lack of intervention did make me think that he could have decided [for whatever reason - back-hander?] to be tolerant of clinching. In fairness the answer would be to view his other fights and see if he was as tolerant then. Also, in fairness, I doubt he had ever seen a fight with so much clinching.
************************************************** ************************
The clinching.
People on here saying that Kovalev was doing it. What I most often saw was this:- Ward would throw a punch and rush in. He would hug Kovalev for dear life as they started staggering backwards and Kovalev would respond by holding Ward's arms trapped beneath his. Very occasionally they would break out of the clinch/hold themselves.
This is what made the fight horrible to watch. Any casuals that bought the first fight on a friend's recommendation - guaranteed they are not buying the rematch. Literally a third of most rounds was taken up by holding. maybe more in a couple of rounds. Horrible!! Bad advert for boxing.
One observation - so good is Ward's balance and athleticism that a few times he was able to free a hand as they were staggering around the ring and actually strike Kovalev on the head)

My scoring

Watching live I had Kovalev 7-5 but watching in slo-mo I saw that what looked like scoring punches actually fell just short or on a glove. Ditto Ward.
Some rounds were actually so close that one punch decided them - for example third round. Most rounds were very close.
Round 10:- this was a round that Kovalev won fairly clearly.- I had 17 punches to 13 landed. That all three judges scored it for Ward is strange. (I think they did right?)

I scored it like this

1/ W
2/ K
3/ K
4/ K
5/ W
6/ W
7/ K
8/ K
9/ W
10/ K
11/ W
12/ In all honesty I fell asleep - this was a horrible wrestling match - plus my patience wore thin .... but if Ward won round 12 he won a maximum of 6 rounds - meaning he lost the fight due to the knock down.

Prediction for tonight's fight more of the same wrestling - horrible horrible to watch. Unless ..... Kovalev has changed something or the referee splits them up more.

In the first fight Kovalev was afraid to take incoming so he needs to just charge in, as Ward did. Maybe Kov fought that way because he thought he was winning after the kd?

will watch tonight more out of curiosity than hopeful for a better fight.

Great analysis using logic. Get ready to be insulted by Wardtard fanboys.

I see you gave some of the very close rounds to Ward, which could have easily gone to Kovalev. I personally had it 7K-4W-1D plus KD which would have put Kovalev ahead 116-112.

[SteveM]

Great analysis using logic. Get ready to be insulted by Wardtard fanboys.

I see you gave some of the very close rounds to Ward, which could have easily gone to Kovalev. I personally had it 7K-4W-1D plus KD which would have put Kovalev ahead 116-112.

I watched round three twice at 1/4 speed because it was THAT close - but I was determined not to give any round as a draw. So little happened in round one but in the end I had Ward win it.

The two things that stood out most clearly were the ineptness of the referee and Ward's style is really horrible for my eyes. I'm not a big 'money' Mayweather fan for his style but give me that any day over Ward[pretty boy was like another fighter]. Give me Rigo over Ward. Give me Lara over Ward. It is not Ward's boxing skills that I dislike - I can appreciate all styles. It is the charging in and hugging - it kills the fight as a spectacle and as such is damaging to boxing.

[Beercules]

Says a man who hit the canvas from a half punch. Ok bud

then looked shocked he won the fight

[stevepeeve]

Odd how white America has never accepted Andre Ward-ever

Andre Ward has been shunned basically ignored by all of America but especially all of white America the ones who pay the bills and move the economy. Ward is not even close to being a boxing star in the USA and is an unknown. Ward deserves better but that is society today as a scum felon woman beating midget like ****** Floyd gets PPV millions and Andre white Ward makes almost nothing when compared to dwarf felon floyd. Go figure that out??

[stevepeeve]

screw Respect? Respect your mother and hate your opponent

screw respect and just fight with hate in your mind and heart. Respect outside of the ring is nice but inside the ring bring hate and passion and a fire to destroy.

[SteveM]

screw respect and just fight with hate in your mind and heart. Respect outside of the ring is nice but inside the ring bring hate and passion and a fire to destroy.

For once I can agree with something you say apart from hate

hate is a state of diseased mind and is never good anywhere - even in a war - look at war crimes > result of hate