The Most Significant Boxing Match in History? -- Mayweather-McGregor?

[TSS]

Yes, this will be the fight of the millennium.

[USMCer]

all you had to do was point to any mega boxing upset like buster-tyson, margarito-cotto1, fury-wlad, mayorga-vernon 2x, etc.

i wouldnt suggest betting against may here.

Funny thing is though...

According to OddsSharks.com, Mayweather is only a -800 favorite versus McGregor... and he was -900 versus Maidana, for the first fight. Versus Berto he was -3000.

http://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/floy...r-betting-odds

[Eff Pandas]

Also, lets not forget that a fat old Ray Mercer ktfo a UFC heavyweight champion in less than a minute in the octagon.

Sh^t man you throw Shannon Briggs in the UFC after teaching him how to sprawl & about underhooks & grappling a lil bit he'd KO 80% of the guys he'd fight. Those lil ass MMA gloves would make him one of the most feared guys in MMA.

Although in fairness he's never getting pass the USADA testing, but you get my point.

Those big ass pillows Conor is gonna have to wear are gonna greatly reduce his power. And sh^t it may even have to have him work on his punching technique cuz I'd assume having never used MMA gloves that there could be a different way you'd wanna punch with MMA gloves on vs with boxing gloves on, but idk that for a fact merely speculating.

[Elroy The Great]

Funny thing is though...

According to OddsSharks.com, Mayweather is only a -800 favorite versus McGregor... and he was -900 versus Maidana, for the first fight. Versus Berto he was -3000.

http://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/floy...r-betting-odds

that shlt is funny

[USMCer]

This fool...
Myopia personified.

First Take - Does Conor McGregor Have A Chance Against Floyd Mayweather? | First Take | June 15, 2017



Max Kellerman talking foolish... says Conor has "exactly a zero % chance" to beat Floyd.

Hey Kellerman, what about a 40-year old Michael Phelps, how would he do against the fastest water polo players... "zero" chance? Zero???

The dude is myopic and is taking this whole thing as an affront to the sport of Boxing. It's almost like he's taking it personally, like it's some insult to even suggest that an MMA guy has the ability to beat Flyod.


Ref:

Usain Bolt... is he TBE 100-yard sprinter?

What about a 40-year old Usian Bolt? You don't think there could be NFL punt-returners who'd beat Usian Bolt at his sport when he's past his prime?

Just saying.

[USMCer]

Its a reverse situation doe. This isn't Werdum going from BJJ into MMA. This would be more like a guy from MMA going to BJJ. Its a more refined level of talent in play.

I've only heard rumors of Conor even having junior level competitive boxing matches as a kid. As best as I can tell he's not had a legit fight as a amateur even. Thats a huge difference in skill...

Right, but some people act like even entertaining the idea that one individual can be elite in two different sports is ridiculous.

It's not.

So far we've mostly seen it happen in one direction, so to speak, from other sports ---> into MMA. But the idea is that IT IS POSSIBLE for one individual to be elite in two combat sports.

Lebron is an amazing athlete, like Conor, but idk that you could take Lebron off the court & throw him into a whole new sport & have him perform at a high level vs an elite guy in that other sport.

That sorta sh^t takes time. Even the people you mention didn't come into MMA & kill it right out of the gate. They all spent years working on their craft & improved. Brock had a quick move up the ranks & even with how well he took to MMA he got beat early on.

So sure in a fight anything can happen so I'll never be a guy who'll say anyone can't win cuz I believe everyone has some chance to win even if its a tiny chance, but the odds are tremendously stacked against Conor even coming away with a respectable moral W by dropping Floyd or making it close or anything like that...

A couple of issues with that^

• LeBron aint 40 yrs old, and two years retired
• The sport of MMA incorporates Boxing in it's set of skills. There's no equivalent for Basketball in that regard. If there was "Pro Dunking" league, idk, LeBron might do pretty good there.

You're definitely right about it taking time, even in the examples that do exist, they didn't step right into the deep end. But the stand I'm making here is that it's not some IMPOSSIBILITY... it's not inconceivable... one person CAN be elite in two sports. And beyond that, Conor's in his prime/Floyd is not.

The fastest guy in the NFL right now, versus a 40-year old Olympic sprinter in a 100-yard dash? Don't tell me "zero" chance... at least give that "tiny chance"... then we can at least talk.

Its a bold move by him, but its not a move without the risk of being clowned in the ring & joked on after the fight he's so overmatched here if Floyd is anything like the Floyd we saw in 2015. And thats probably Conor's best opportunity to come away with a respectable moral W or a actual W is if Floyd isn't Floyd after 2 years out of the sport & being 40 years old in a young mans sport.

It's more likely than not, that Conor will get school, out-classed, but he won't get clowned. He may very well be defeated that day, but it's only a Win-Win for Conor. Even in a loss, he will have earned respect, across both sports. Boxing fans will be surprised by Conor's intelligence. He may or may not succeed, but he'll put out a technical effort. You'll see him try to exploit what worked for Maidana, Zab Judah, De La Hoya, etc.

Watch one of those over-arching Maidana shots loop over Floyd's shoulder and land...

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[Boxfan83]

Right, but some people act like even entertaining the idea that one individual can be elite in two different sports is ridiculous.

It's not.

So far we've mostly seen it happen in one direction, so to speak, from other sports ---> into MMA. But the idea is that IT IS POSSIBLE for one individual to be elite in two combat sports.



A couple of issues with that^

• LeBron aint 40 yrs old, and two years retired
• The sport of MMA incorporates Boxing in it's set of skills. There's no equivalent for Basketball in that regard. If there was "Pro Dunking" league, idk, LeBron might do pretty good there.

You're definitely right about it taking time, even in the examples that do exist, they didn't step right into the deep end. But the stand I'm making here is that it's not some IMPOSSIBILITY... it's not inconceivable... one person CAN be elite in two sports. And beyond that, Conor's in his prime/Floyd is not.

The fastest guy in the NFL right now, versus a 40-year old Olympic sprinter in a 100-yard dash? Don't tell me "zero" chance... at least give that "tiny chance"... then we can at least talk.



It's more likely than not, that Conor will get school, out-classed, but he won't get clowned. He may very well be defeated that day, but it's only a Win-Win for Conor. Even in a loss, he will have earned respect, across both sports. Boxing fans will be surprised by Conor's intelligence. He may or may not succeed, but he'll put out a technical effort. You'll see him try to exploit what worked for Maidana, Zab Judah, De La Hoya, etc.

Watch one of those over-arching Maidana shots loop over Floyd's shoulder and land...

Hey devil dog please see my thread titled "this dude is gonna get murked lol" and if you still think Conor has a chance, please make an about face and double time back to Sherdog.

[Eff Pandas]

Right, but some people act like even entertaining the idea that one individual can be elite in two different sports is ridiculous.

It's not.

So far we've mostly seen it happen in one direction, so to speak, from other sports ---> into MMA. But the idea is that IT IS POSSIBLE for one individual to be elite in two combat sports.

No it happens in boxing too. Plenty of kickboxing & Muay Thai fighters have come into boxing & won titles. And plenty of MMA guys have boxing bouts on their record. Fabio Maldonado (the guy who got his W over Fedor reversed or NC or whatever happened there) is like 20 something & 0 in boxing. Shevchenko who's about to fight Nunes for Ronda's old belt was 2-0 & fought some solid girls in boxing before getting more serious into MMA. I could name MMA guys with pro fights under their belt all day. Donald Cerrone, Anderson Silva, my boy Platinum Mike Perry etc & so on.

I'm sure there are some cats saying its impossible, but I'm not one of them like I already mentioned. I've seen enough crazy sh^t to know in a fight either guy can win & has some chance to win even if its a fraction of 1% (shame on Max Kellerman who I respect for saying otherwise cuz its for sure wrong & usually even when I disagree with Max I don't feel he's as wrong in his opinion about this fight).

A couple of issues with that^

• LeBron aint 40 yrs old, and two years retired
• The sport of MMA incorporates Boxing in it's set of skills. There's no equivalent for Basketball in that regard. If there was "Pro Dunking" league, idk, LeBron might do pretty good there.

I just pulled LeBron outta my ass. I don't watch ANY non-combat sport so I got no idea who's who in any sport outside of super mainstream cats usually. Feel free to throw any name in any sport & put him in a similar situation in his first amateur or pro event vs one of the best.

You're definitely right about it taking time, even in the examples that do exist, they didn't step right into the deep end. But the stand I'm making here is that it's not some IMPOSSIBILITY... it's not inconceivable... one person CAN be elite in two sports. And beyond that, Conor's in his prime/Floyd is not.

I think you're arguing with the wrong guy then. Cuz I'm not saying ANYTHING is impossible in a fight with 2 guys in any combat sport that I've seen. There are definitely things more or less likely to go down. And there are things that have huge odds against them happening which this fight would be won of them.

The fastest guy in the NFL right now, versus a 40-year old Olympic sprinter in a 100-yard dash? Don't tell me "zero" chance... at least give that "tiny chance"... then we can at least talk.

Again you are preaching to the choir. I'm not a guy who's saying Dmitry Bivol who's about 3x the betting favorite then Floyd is over Conor over his opponent Saturday can't lose so math-wise its a super safe assumption to make that I don't feel any betting favorite at the -3000 or lower level "can't lose".

It's more likely than not, that Conor will get school, out-classed, but he won't get clowned.

Back to the actual subject finally? Nice lol.

Feel free to feel that way. I got no beef with your confidence in that not happening. But just like I'm of the belief Conor has some tiny chance to win or make it interesting or look fair all things considered while clearly losing logic would dictate there is also the chance Conor could get clowned. And personally I feel like the chance of Conor being clowned has a better chance of happening then him winning. And I don't believe there is any controversy in that statement among people that know either sport or both sports. We've seen more proven guys in both sports be clowned in fights.

He may very well be defeated that day, but it's only a Win-Win for Conor.

Yea I've said that myself from early on. Conor can win, make it interesting, be clearly beaten or be clowned or anything in between & its a W on the night for him basically. Hell if he legit went into MMA mode & got himself DQ'd or something crazy idk if that even ends up being a L for him in the manner in which you & I agree.

Even in a loss, he will have earned respect, across both sports. Boxing fans will be surprised by Conor's intelligence. He may or may not succeed, but he'll put out a technical effort. You'll see him try to exploit what worked for Maidana, Zab Judah, De La Hoya, etc.

Watch one of those over-arching Maidana shots loop over Floyd's shoulder and land...

LOL hey man I respect your dream. I just think logically you have to be dreaming to have much confidence in Conor's path to success in this fight is maybe the problem. Conor's path to victory depends on the last 2 years Floyd has been out of the ring to have massively impacted what he can do in the ring in 2.5 months first & foremost. If 70% of the guy who fought Berto comes in the ring in August Conor's chance to win just went down drastically.

[Michael1437]

It would be like Buster Douglas vs Mike Tyson multiplied by 1,000,000,000