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Originally posted by My Low Place
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What a cheerleader!
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90% of this man's post is about Stevenson even though Adonis isn't even in the thread!
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It's already been a great year. Might as well finally make that fight, man...Originally posted by Shadoww702 View PostComment
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Why is it so hard to make this fight? They tired last year and again top rank being cheap as phuk. Just pay the man so loma can erase the one mark on his resumeComment
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“Bob Arum said take it or leave it to the purse he was offering. Well, we’ll leave it,” Salido manager Sean Gibbons said. “It’s a … insult.”Originally posted by BigStomps View Post
Gibbons is irked that Salido is being offered less than what former World Boxing Organization super-featherweight champion Rocky Martinez was paid (around $525,000) to lose his belt to Lomachenko on June 11 at Madison Square Garden.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing...nap-story.html
LOL...You know they didn't offer Salido over $500K. They offered Salido a lil more then the 1st times $250K.Comment
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just gving a fuggn example of when numbers were dropped..i dont want to point fingers withou facts like most of you.Originally posted by Squ□redCircle34 View Post
i would have said lara andrade but once again numbers were not posted...stop trolling..
arum said broner turned down 4 millionComment
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Right there! AND Bob Arum can't double dip and get that EXTRA % from Salido. PLUS they know Salido is a tough out for anyone and WON'T QUIT like Sht Walters.Originally posted by bigdunny1 View PostComment
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Salido is not pricing himself out, Top Rank would pay him what he deserves if they were seriously interested in the rematch. Salido already beat Lomachenko, so it's insulting for Top Rank to make low-ball offers. From a fans perspective, it's not even worth thinking about because you know Top Rank will try to sell it as a PPV. If they expect you to pay to watch an Irish amateur have his first pro fight, imagine what they will try to charge for a Salido-Lomachenko rematch.Comment
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As long as Salido's demands are fair, Top Rank should really step up its game in making offers to B-sides. Marketing their A-side fighters is one thing, but they should also INVEST in them by INVESTING in the best opponents possible, even if they cost more. Because by getting and beating the best opponents, even if they cost more, you create a better reputation for your fighter, and a bigger star, which generates more money long term.
If Top Rank has to pay out of its own pocket 2 million or 3 million bucks to get Mikey Garcia or Keith Thurman or Errol Spence in the ring with Terence Crawford, they should do that! Because if Crawford beats all three of them, he can become a PPV star and make Top Rank back ten times that much!
Same with Lomachenko. And if Pacquiao demands too much money to fight a younger, bigger, powerful guy like Crawford, then make lemons out of lemonade and make Pacquiao a smaller offer to fight a smaller, less powerful guy like Lomachenko at 136 lbs. If Lomachenko wins, he's a superstar. If Pacquiao knocks him out, Pacquiao's career is revitalized. People are bored with him at 147 because he seems past his prime, no longer the undisputed top guy at the weight, and he never knocks anyone out. His stamina is not the same. But what if he drained down to 135, said **** stamina, and fought a more low output, high power style like say Adrien Broner did at 135? When you are that much more powerful than the guys you fight, you don't need high output because they will be scared to come at you, and scared to throw themselves, because all you need is one punch to land and every single punch hurts them. So you end up in low output but still dominant fights.
What if Pacquiao can become a KO machine again at 135? Become undisputed champ at the weight just blitzing Lomachenko, Mikey Garcia, Easter Jr. etc? He would sell over a million PPVs again! And be extremely entertaining! What drama that would be. What a legendary finish to a great career. Top Rank and all these promoters are stuck in the past, too concerned with the name of the division. They think the money is at welterweight only so Manny has to stay there. Bull****! Maybe under normal circumstances, but everyone already knows who Manny is. The money follows him now so long as, and this is the key, people still think he will provide dominant, powerful offense in the ring, and be one of the top 5 fighters in the world. If he could do that at lightweight, people would no longer care about the weight, they would care about Manny being an elite KO artist again!
I mean Manny could actually be a bigger PPV seller than ever before if the story got started that he had a new goal to unify 135 and be the #1 P4P fighter in the world again at his real weight class. People would have renewed interest to see how good Manny really is at age 38, not having to fight bigger guys every fight for the first time in 10 years! The last five years I have been most interested in GGG and Kovalev's careers, among others, and Manny's has become less interesting and I barely pay attention anymore, but if he moved down to 135 and started dominating guys again, which I think he would, I would become as interested in his career again as those other guys.
Because as fans we want to see athletes achieve incredible goals. We want to see the legendary take place. Welterweight or lightweight is irrelevant because Manny going through names like Mikey Garcia and Lomachenko would actually be maybe the most impressive and exciting stretch of his entire career, or at least very close to matching his trilogy vs Morales and four fights vs Marquez and so on. Manny had the incredible stretch at the lower weights, then the run from Oscar to Cotto to Margarito moving up in weight, and those were kind of the most impressive eras of his career, but ever since he settled at welterweight he hasn't been as good and it's been the Mayweather bull**** for a decade.
Since Manny never looked as good at 147 as he did at lower weights even when he was in his prime, and since now he's not in his ****ing prime, why won't he move back down already? At least to 140! It makes no ****ing sense!
But man, if Manny, with all his muscle and power now from fighting at 147, could sacrifice a little and drain down to 135 in a healthy way, but maintain a lot of that size and power, man that could be one of the most exciting late-career runs, and most historic, ever.
Think of it this way. Instead of fighting to be the 3rd best fighter in a division he can't KO anyone in, and maybe the 15th or 20th best pound for pound, Manny could fight to be the #1 best fighter in a division, and perhaps in all of boxing pound for pound, in a division where he can crush people even more than GGG can without barely having to throw any punches.
YOU TELL ME, WHICH SOUNDS MORE EXCITING?
Which sounds more like something his fans could get behind and get excited about? Which provides more knockouts which attracts casual fans? Which provides a new story, a new goal, a new era in his career, rather than just a less exciting, less good version of the same exact thing we've been getting for years?
I mean really, Top Rank needs to think about this. Stop giving us worse reruns every time out, and put Manny in the division where he can give us a fresh, Emmy-worthy show once again. If Manny can make the weight, and we know he can if he would simply drain a little and sacrifice that way like almost every other top fighter in the world, I think he could give us amazing fights and possibly knock out anyone at 135. Unlike 147, where his career is most likely headed nowhere fast.
It's just like how even after No Mas, Roberto Duran still could have been the most relevant, compelling, and best pound for pound boxer on the planet, either dominating lightweight or dominating everyone but SRL until forcing a trilogy sooner than it did happen at 147, but instead Duran kept fighting at higher weights against much bigger men where he had no shot to win anymore, and since he couldn't beat the best guys at those weights anymore, no one thought of him as the best guy out there anymore, and no one really went into his top level fights at those weights giving him much chance to win, so his career was no longer as compelling. Fans still respected his ability but there was no longer any realistic quest for him to be the best P4P in the world if he wasn't going to fight at the weights where he was best.
But that was by necessity, because Duran ate himself up in weight. Manny Pacquiao doesn't do that, so what is Top Rank's excuse. They are wasting the end of Manny's career just like the end of Duran's was wasted in a sense, except the Duran situation was Duran's fault, and there was nothing the promoter could do. This is Top Rank's fault! Or Freddie's Roach's. Or whoever is deciding what weight to campaign at. And my su****ion is that it really is just them not trusting the PPV sales if they don't fight at 147, or some crazy **** like that. I don't even know. There is no good explanation to keep fighting your 38 year old star against guys who are naturally two divisions taller, stronger, longer, and with better chins.
SO that's why Top Rank really needs to wise up in my opinion, which includes sometimes paying more money now on opponents in order to make way more money later. And if Pacquiao won't go to 135, but he won't fight Crawford unless he gets overpaid either, then hell maybe just overpay him, so if Crawford beats him, now you can make money off Crawford. Pacquiao or at least his adviser is smart. They see Top Rank, through Crawford beating Pacquiao, wants to make long-term money off of Pacquiao's name. So Pacquiao is saying, if y'all want to make long-term money off my name, then don't I deserve at least one big payout of short term money?
So maybe Top Rank should just do that, as long as Crawford's contractually obligated to stick with Top Rank and take big fights himself in order to pay back Top Rank for fronting a lot of money to Pacquiao to fight him.
Or, if they actually care about revitalizing Pacquiao's career, not just Crawford's, they should work with Manny to get down to 135, and then you could have a whole new incredible chapter of Pacquiao's career where he would actually have a chance at beating top 10 pound for pound guys like Lomachenko and Mikey, two very sexy opponents who would both fight him at that weight, because for once Pacquiao would fight guys his own size.
I mean, boxing fans have been waiting like ten ****ing years to see how good prime Pacquiao could be against guys his own size for once, and Top Rank failed to ever let us see that except his early prime and Top Rank have STILL failed to let us see that even after his prime, and yet Pacquiao is so damn good, if they do it NOW, and do not WAIT ANYMORE, that even after his prime he could still be the best boxer on the planet again if only they put him against guys his own size for once.
And that, as a boxing fan and a former Pacquiao fan to some extent, is what I hope to see most. And if he truly can't make 135, then in these special circumstances, I am fine with catchweights of 136 or 137 against those guys. Just find top opponents his size for once, Mr. overconfident promoter man who thinks he can keep matching a past prime guy against way bigger opponents and still get knockouts and a truly elite boxing product (you can't), have them agree on a weight they're both comfortable at, and make the fight there. Mikey is going up to 140 to fight Broner, says he will move back to 135 after that, so anywhere between then, 136, 137, 138, is fair game. With Lomachenko not so much because he fights at 130, but we'll see. When Adrien Broner was champ at 135, he was obviously capable of fighting at 140 or 147 as we've seen, so 137 against him also would have been fair.
Figure it out with Manny, but I think the smaller guys he can fight healthily, the more his power will dominate, and the more spectacular it will look, and the more fans will return to following his career and becoming truly invested in it because it's actually relevant again at the top of the sport, which is a big difference.
I mean, Mikey knocked out Zlaticinin to get the belt or whatever. Can you imagine what Manny vs Zlaticinin would have been? About the same I imagine, just with faster hand speed. And those type of performances are what will revitalize Manny's career, not 12 round decisions against Jessie Vargas. Smarten up Top Rank, please! We boxing fans still want to see a relevant Manny Pacquiao in the ring against guys his own size, not these boring reruns against guys too big for him to knock out!Last edited by Boxing Logic; 06-07-2017, 10:32 PM.Comment
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https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=748066Originally posted by My Low Place View PostComment
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Lomachenko's guarantee is so high there's no money in fighting him. He gets a million dollars to fill 3,000 seat venues. The gate can't cover 1/4 of his purse. If HBO isn't buying the fight there is no license fee to cover costs to put on the fight. But now the narrative is nobody wants to fight him. They're offering guys peanuts. Every single Lomachenko fight the opponent is complaining about how little they're getting paid.Comment
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