What happened at the end of Chavez vs Taylor?

[Super_Lightweight]

lol

You do see the thread title, don't you? What the hell does it have to do with Chavez's losses vs. Zoo and DLH?

Maybe you should take zanex, buddy. I was talking about Mauricio, not you...so chill it.

Also, you can like Chavez all you want.

But, you don't even mention how Steele ignored or didn't notice the red light which indicates the final bell is about to ring. If that's not a factor in your mind, then yes, you are biased.

I didn't say anyone who has a different opinion than me has no dignty or shame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume, because assuming, well, you know the saying...

Someone who brags that Chavez escaped that ring with a win, BRAGS about it and makes fun of Taylor has no shame or dignity. Someone who refuses to acknowledge Steele's widely documented failures in that fight is clearly biased, just as I would be biased if I refused to take into account that Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking Taylor if he was ok.

Peace.

[morancito]

Also, you can like Chavez all you want.

But, you don't even mention how Steele ignored or didn't notice the red light which indicates the final bell is about to ring. If that's not a factor in your mind, then yes, you are biased.

I didn't say anyone who has a different opinion than me has no dignty or shame. Don't put words in my mouth and don't assume, because assuming, well, you know the saying...

Someone who brags that Chavez escaped that ring with a win, BRAGS about it and makes fun of Taylor has no shame or dignity. Someone who refuses to acknowledge Steele's widely documented failures in that fight is clearly biased, just as I would be biased if I refused to take into account that Taylor's cornerman jumped on the rope as Richard Steele was asking Taylor if he was ok.

Chavez is one of my all time favorites, so of course I'm biased. Who isn't? To me, Taylor not answering to Steele's calls weights in more than a red light that he could or couldn' have (or chose not to) seen. Obviously, you think different.

Making fun of Taylor is ****ed up, definately. He fought a great fight and in the end, was beaten in the worst of ways. He was never the same after that night.

But he DID lose.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Ultimate...I know full well that Chavez was doing the significant damage to Mel. I've posted on multiple threads the extent of the damage done to Mel by JCC. But you HAVE TO ADMIT that Taylor was doing things to JCC that hadn't been seen before (hence the boxing his ass off). I know that Meldrick was hurt and that JCC was in the fight the whole way...except if the fight went to a decision. A decision would certainly assure Chavez his first loss. Even you couldn't have scored the fight for Chavez.

In my eyes...Steele said, "oh hey can you continue? (wait a second ) can you continue?...and then called the fight. As a referee...you should be aware of the situation and of the seriousness of the knockdown. Steele should have counted as normal, asked Mel if he was alright, and asked him to step towards him. Now I'm no referee, so I may be completely off base here...but I don't think a fighter who has just gone 12 tooth and nail rounds with one of the greatest fighters ever will totally be in the right state of mind to simply respond to a couple of quick 'can you continues'.

I have watched the fight (one of the 3 greatest fights ever IMO) many times and I have watched it with the sound on and off. I've also seen the legendary nights...which was very fanboyish on the commentary part. But I do know how I saw the fight and I know that Meldrick Taylor beat Julio Caesar Chavez that night...regardless if JCC got the W on his record.

I do admit that Taylor was hanging in there with Chavez something no one had seen be accomplished before. And yes i agree that had there been no KD which forced the fight to be called i would have had Taylor winning the fight by a close margin.

But the KD did come and he could not continue. Thats the thing, not a single thing did taylor show the ref to let him continue. Not one. The ref counted an extra second and still He didnt signal he was ok to the ref, he wasnt standing in the ready position, he was leaning on the ropes, he didnt answer the ref, hell he wasnt even looking at the ref. 7 or so seconds to go.. what are u supposed to do? wipe his gloves off and let him continue with 6 seconds to go while he is still leaning on the ropes looking off to god knows where?

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

In my opinion, the red-light weighs in equally, and given the beating Taylor took, he deserved to get out of there and see the decision, which was his.

So in my opinion, it's not really a "win", not a legitimate one for Chavez anyway. We will never agree obviously. Oh well.

(^_^)

[oldgringo]

I do admit that Taylor was hanging in there with Chavez something no one had seen be accomplished before. And yes i agree that had there been no KD which forced the fight to be called i would have had Taylor winning the fight by a close margin.

But the KD did come and he could not continue. Thats the thing, not a single thing did taylor show the ref to let him continue. Not one. The ref counted an extra second and still He didnt signal he was ok to the ref, he wasnt standing in the ready position, he was leaning on the ropes, he didnt answer the ref, hell he wasnt even looking at the ref. 7 or so seconds to go.. what are u supposed to do? wipe his gloves off and let him continue with 6 seconds to go while he is still leaning on the ropes looking off to god knows where?

Do you honestly feel in your heart that he could not continue? Because this is what the whole Chavez/Taylor debate has always been about. We all know that Chavez won and that many people think Taylor was given an unjust stoppage. But do you whole heartedly feel that JCC would have stormed across the ring with about 2-3 seconds left on the clock and knocked out Taylor with one punch? No punches after the bell would count. If Chavez got him after the bell it wouldn't have mattered. All Mel has to do is go into a shell and the fights over.

The whole ending to the fight is a matter of speculation and anger over Steele's history of sketchball decisions. Meldrick Taylor wasn't unresponsive...just distracted. If he were so unresponsive, then he wouldn't have had that heart sinking look of confusion and dismay when Steele hastily waved his arms in front of his face. You could clearly see that Mel IMMEDIATELY knew what happened when Steele PHYSICALLY signaled that the fight was over. I'm not so sure he could hear exactly what Steele was saying to him. Which is why I think Steele should have physically signaled to Mel to take steps toward him (which seems like a method more commonly used today). It was certainly an incredible fight. Meldrick Taylor was beating Chavez...I just personally feel that he was given the **** end of the stick. I mean, if you are going to get your ****ing brains beat in for 12 rounds by a guy who punches like he has bricks for hands, the ref can at least let him stand up (which he did) and finish the fight like a man.

[+= El Jefe=+]

Taylor's Corner

I have read alot of times on this forum that Taylor's corner lost him the fight but no one ever really said how. Could someone please clear this up for me and tell me what exactly happened? Thanks

Taylor's corner ****ed it up for him,
have you seen any of his last fights
he could barely stay up.
He retired in 2002 i think
poor guy.

[SweetScience]

The reason Chavez is hated.

The fight that ruined Taylor.

Steele did the right thing, he's job is to protect the fighter. Don't matter how much time is left, that's NOT his job. Again he's job is to protect the fighter! What if this happen earlier in the fight, it's OK but since it happened at the end of the fight it's not. Did Taylor deserve a chance to continue? YES, but he didn't respond to the commands of Steele, thus the fight was called. Simple as that.

A fight can be stopped at any point of the fight, when the referee thinks the fighter had enough. IMO the fight should of been stopped by the 11th round. Taylor was out on his feet after the 11th. No luck by Chavez in the 12th, just shows his greatness (Balls)to rise to the occasion. Ask yourself how many times have you seen a fighter in his prime, virtually give up? Settle for the loss, try to survive? I have a ton of respect for Chavez because of this fight. He showed great courage in the fight, unfortunatley that was the last of a prime Chavez I saw.

PS: If you think Taylor won that's fine but in reality he lost the battle... a battle that ruined his life.

[Slipx]

a battle that ruined his life.

yeah.

even if meldrick had won, he still would've had the brain problem

he was slurring after the first chavez bout

[Dynamite76]

What truly happened was the downfall of a potential legend and the certification of another.

[Tha Greatest]

ya

it was all in the judges hands

It was whoever he wanted, Meldrick deserved that, they stole it from him and look at him now