What happened at the end of Chavez vs Taylor?

[MetalVomit]

BTW steele counts to 9 (should have been to 8) and asks taylor twice if he is ok to which there is no response and taylor is leening back on the ropes looking off to the side.

Exactly. It's the corner's fault for distracting Taylor. Anyone that thinks it was Steele's fault is either a Chavez hater, or Taylor lover.

[morancito]

And it's kind of a shame that some people want to blame it on the ref, this being one of the most dramatic victories in the history of the sport.

[xrhythmxnxbluesx]

didnt they say that... steele was a friend of don king... and chavez was promoted under king...he's a controversial ref... but taylor's corner did say that he had to fight chavez instead of takin the round off... and one of meldricks trainer went up to the corner and taylor look at him instead of answering if he was ok... and steele shoulda of been lookin at the red light... but at the end... you cant deny that taylor got his ass woop... he had fractures... internal bleeding... and was pissing out blood...

[oldgringo]

Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

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Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

In no way did Chavez get "his ass boxed off" by a better fighter. Sounds like you been watching Legendary Nights and not the actual fight. The fight was competitive from the start, if you dont see that your obviously just seeing Taylor's punches. Most people get swayed by the commentating, there is a reason Taylor was all beat up at the end of the fight, and the reason is Leonard, Lampleys, and Merchant's cheerleading was wrong. Especially Leonards' "Taylor's speeds nullified the offense of Chavez". That was the problem it didnt, Taylor threw punches and punches but Chavez kept rocking him round after round. And huge misconception to say that he began punishing him at the end because Chavez oppened the first cut of MANY in taylors mouth in round 2 in which he also visibly hurt him at the end of the round.

What do you think steele shoulda done? count to 16? grab Taylors hands and pull him toward him and let him continue with 0 seconds to go in the fight without looking biased? Ask him if he was ok 7 times? I know... DQ Chavez that would have been the right thing to do right? Seriously.

[Super_Lightweight]

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Exactly. It's the corner's fault for distracting Taylor. Anyone that thinks it was Steele's fault is either a Chavez hater, or Taylor lover.

Wrong. Steele is also at fault. Th ref has multiple jobs, not just one. And one of the jobs he has is to be aware of the flashing red light directly behind Taylor's head as he was counting Taylor out. He did not see it, or he chose not, either way, yes, he did make a mistake.

When Steele stopped the fight, there were officially two seconds left on the clock. Had he simply not waived his arms during those seconds, Taylor would have won the decision, a much deserved decision for the beating he took.

It doesn't matter how much of a beating Taylor took, he did enough to win the fight and the judges' scorecards as well as the majority of the boxing public reflect that belief.

I've seen the fight, but I'm neither a Chavez hater or Taylor lover, I just see it for what it is...an agregious error by the referee, a mistake by Taylor's cornermen, and the beginning of the end to Taylor's career.

Anyone who thinks of braggin over Chavez for "winning" that fight, has no dignity, no shame, and is biased for Chavez. You don't brag about a tragedy like what happened to Meldrick Taylor.

Should I brag about how Kostya Tyszu and Oscar De La Hoya whooped on old Chavez' ass? Alright then.

[morancito]

Every Chavez fan on this thread knows their legendary idol got his ass boxed off by a better fighter that night. Although it's a W in Chavez record...it should have a big old asterisk by it.

I'm even a Chavez fan...and clinging to, "oh yeah well Steele did his job correctly and Chavez was doing more damage and its not the refs job to look at the time limit and and and..." is played out. Meldrick won that fight in the peoples eyes...unless of course you're in that small demographic of Mexican JCC fanboys who cannot admit that Chavez was beaten every way possible outside of "technically".

If it was Chavez who received an ass whooping, then how come the career that was over after that fight was Taylor's? He absorbed one of the most brutal punishments I've ever seen. The guy was peeing blood and had all kind of internal injuries after the fight.

I have seen that fight over and over again, and yes, Chavez was losing, but he wasn't losing 9 rounds to 2 like one judge had it. If there was such a big difference in 2 of the 3 scorecards was due to the fact that body shots, though they cause a lot of damage, are frequently overseen by judges.

[oldgringo]

In no way did Chavez get "his ass boxed off" by a better fighter. Sounds like you been watching Legendary Nights and not the actual fight. The fight was competitive from the start, if you dont see that your obviously just seeing Taylor's punches. Most people get swayed by the commentating, there is a reason Taylor was all beat up at the end of the fight, and the reason is Leonard, Lampleys, and Merchant's cheerleading was wrong. Especially Leonards' "Taylor's speeds nullified the offense of Chavez". That was the problem it didnt, Taylor threw punches and punches but Chavez kept rocking him round after round. And huge misconception to say that he began punishing him at the end because Chavez oppened the first cut of MANY in taylors mouth in round 2 in which he also visibly hurt him at the end of the round.

What do you think steele shoulda done? count to 16? grab Taylors hands and pull him toward him and let him continue with 0 seconds to go in the fight without looking biased? Ask him if he was ok 7 times? I know... DQ Chavez that would have been the right thing to do right? Seriously.

Ultimate...I know full well that Chavez was doing the significant damage to Mel. I've posted on multiple threads the extent of the damage done to Mel by JCC. But you HAVE TO ADMIT that Taylor was doing things to JCC that hadn't been seen before (hence the boxing his ass off). I know that Meldrick was hurt and that JCC was in the fight the whole way...except if the fight went to a decision. A decision would certainly assure Chavez his first loss. Even you couldn't have scored the fight for Chavez.

In my eyes...Steele said, "oh hey can you continue? (wait a second ) can you continue?...and then called the fight. As a referee...you should be aware of the situation and of the seriousness of the knockdown. Steele should have counted as normal, asked Mel if he was alright, and asked him to step towards him. Now I'm no referee, so I may be completely off base here...but I don't think a fighter who has just gone 12 tooth and nail rounds with one of the greatest fighters ever will totally be in the right state of mind to simply respond to a couple of quick 'can you continues'.

I have watched the fight (one of the 3 greatest fights ever IMO) many times and I have watched it with the sound on and off. I've also seen the legendary nights...which was very fanboyish on the commentary part. But I do know how I saw the fight and I know that Meldrick Taylor beat Julio Caesar Chavez that night...regardless if JCC got the W on his record.

[morancito]

Anyone who thinks of braggin over Chavez for "winning" that fight, has no dignity, no shame, and is biased for Chavez. You don't brag about a tragedy like what happened to Meldrick Taylor.

Should I brag about how Kostya Tyszu and Oscar De La Hoya whooped on old Chavez' ass? Alright then.

You do see the thread title, don't you? What the hell does it have to do with Chavez's losses vs. Zoo and DLH?

I do think Chavez won that fight fair and square. Taylor SHOULD HAVE ANSWERED at Steele's repeated calls and didn't. He did what a ref is supposed to do. Now if you think that for having a different opinion than yours, I have no dignity and no shame, then I guess you should be posting in your own website.

[oldgringo]

If it was Chavez who received an ass whooping, then how come the career that was over after that fight was Taylor's? He absorbed one of the most brutal punishments I've ever seen. The guy was peeing blood and had all kind of internal injuries after the fight.

I have seen that fight over and over again, and yes, Chavez was losing, but he wasn't losing 9 rounds to 2 like one judge had it. If there was such a big difference in 2 of the 3 scorecards was due to the fact that body shots, though they cause a lot of damage, are frequently overseen by judges.

You're tellin me old news amigo.