Kovalev vs. Stevenson. How does a narrative change?

[Outwest Exp 355]

Mannix is nowhere in the middle. He's a PBC/Floyd/Haymon hater. Check out his podcast with Dibella. Coppinger is more pro PBC but he just got hired by Ring so it'll be interesting what he does from now on. Down the middle is a guy like Idec, Jake, and Abramson but he doesn't cover boxing anymore

Mannix is a hater and a douche bag but I still love that podcast. He books good guests and he knows enough boxing to give a good interview.

[MDPopescu]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=633278

03-30-2014, 04:51 PM

In an interview (just after the Canelo-Angulo fight), Adonis Stevenson was asked about signing with Al Haymon and about his future fights...
When directly asked about fighting Kovalev, Adonis (who's not a great English speaker) said something about fighting for the "right money"...
A guy near Adonis (the one with the Calvin Klein T-Shirt) immediately began to elaborate in proper English (at 4:00 on the video): "… You step on the ring… the chances that you take… the health, you know… your life is on the line… so we just want to be compensated, you know…"


You may look at Adonis face at that particular moment of the interview, hereunder:



... Or you may watch the entire interview here:

... meanwhile, the vid above was deleted from the YouTube...

... I only managed to get a screen capture (mainly because of Adonis' look -- which is priceless...)

[Motorcity Cobra]

Actually, you are trying to change the narrative. Stevenson turned down the offer for HBO to instead go with Haymon. I kinda don't blame Stevenson because it would have been a huge gamble if he would have lost to Kovalev his career would have been over.

I mean, the truth is right there in the post and you accuse me of changing the narrative. Did you read anything I posted? You couldn't have read anything I posted or else you wouldn't have said this.

[Motorcity Cobra]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=633278

03-30-2014, 04:51 PM



... meanwhile, the vid above was deleted from the YouTube...

... I only managed to get a screen capture (mainly because of Adonis' look -- which is priceless...)

He turned down the offer before he was signed with Haymon. That's in this post. And even after he signed with Haymon they were only $300,000 apart on the money. Haymon put up $100,000. Michel put up $100,00. HBO refused to put up $100,000 and they thought Showtime was bluffing.

The last offer I made to him was the following: We wanted to pay Stevenson $300,000 more than we were able to pay him with the actual deal, for the Fonfara fight. So Al Haymon was going to take 100K from his pocket, 100k from mine and I requested HBO to add only 100K to the pot."...."I was stunned when Peter told me he was rejecting it. He also said - 'you see Yvon you have no other alternative and you can’t get another deal elsewhere so please tell Adonis to agree to the deal.'

BoxingScene has an email, dated February 13 from Stevenson's attorney Jonathan Freund, and directed to Michel - where he tells Michel that Stevenson was looking for more money on "his next three fights."

While Michel and Duva agreed to most of the terms, Michel says he was unable to convince Stevenson to accept the proposed purse and his team was unhappy with the license fee, and continuously cited that HBO paid over $3 million for Ward-Rodriguez. (Kovalev vs. Stevenson was #1 vs. #2 and they deserved more than Ward-Rodriguez)

That email is crucial, because it took place "before" adviser Al Haymon became involved with Stevenson.

[MDPopescu]

He turned down the offer before he was signed with Haymon. That's in this post. And even after he signed with Haymon they were only $300,000 apart on the money. Haymon put up $100,000. Michel put up $100,00. HBO refused to put up $100,000 and they thought Showtime was bluffing.


The last offer I made to him was the following: We wanted to pay Stevenson $300,000 more than we were able to pay him with the actual deal, for the Fonfara fight. So Al Haymon was going to take 100K from his pocket, 100k from mine and I requested HBO to add only 100K to the pot."...."I was stunned when Peter told me he was rejecting it. He also said - 'you see Yvon you have no other alternative and you can’t get another deal elsewhere so please tell Adonis to agree to the deal.'

BoxingScene has an email, dated February 13 from Stevenson's attorney Jonathan Freund, and directed to Michel - where he tells Michel that Stevenson was looking for more money on "his next three fights."

While Michel and Duva agreed to most of the terms, Michel says he was unable to convince Stevenson to accept the proposed purse and his team was unhappy with the license fee, and continuously cited that HBO paid over $3 million for Ward-Rodriguez. (Kovalev vs. Stevenson was #1 vs. #2 and they deserved more than Ward-Rodriguez)

That email is crucial, because it took place "before" adviser Al Haymon became involved with Stevenson.

It was Ken Hershman (who brought Ward to HBO) who ever overpaid Andre Ward, as long as he was the HBO Sports Chief... After Ken Hershman was sacked, Ward was forced to take that "Kovaliov deal" in order to get HBO fights again...

[Kigali]

Actually, you are trying to change the narrative. Stevenson turned down the offer for HBO to instead go with Haymon. I kinda don't blame Stevenson because it would have been a huge gamble if he would have lost to Kovalev his career would have been over.

You show 'em the proof and they still choose the lie.

[Motorcity Cobra]

It was Ken Hershman (who brought Ward to HBO) who ever overpaid Andre Ward, as long as he was the HBO Sports Chief... After Ken Hershman was sacked, Ward was forced to take that "Kovaliov deal" in order to get HBO fights again...

Firstly, Herschman was the one who gave Ward his last deal with HBO. That was done before he retired.

Secondly, Adonis was impressed with what Haymon was able to get Rodriguez, not Ward.

Thirdly, as Michel states, talks were at an impasse before Adonis brought in Haymon. When Haymon was brought in he got the talks going again.

[original zero]

Do writers get together and decide to start saying the same thing?

No, their sources decide what they want them to say.

[REMOVE SHARK 55]

Proper detective work from Motorcitycobra. How can you even try to counter this?.

[Motorcity Cobra]

No, their sources decide what they want them to say.

I'm asking how do they go from saying one thing to saying the total opposite. I understand saying what the sources want them to say when writing the initial story. But I'm talking about going from one narrative to a whole different narrative when the facts haven't changed