If you were an aspiring boxer, would you prefer a trainer who...

[P.K Dionysus]

Was amazing at training, knowledgeable, and knew a plethora of skills and extremely high level techniques... but was absolutely woeful when it game to strategies and corner advice, or an absolutely mediocre trainer, who often confused jabs for hooks and ****, but was second to none when it came to analysing opponents, and coming up with plans and strategies so effective, it was uncanny.

Who would you go for, and why?

[boliodogs]

I would want the trainer who put me in great shape and taught me excellent boxing skills. What good will a great strategist do me if I am not in top shape and I lack boxing skills?

[Redd Foxx]

No to spoil the thread but strategy doesn't even come into play for aspiring fighters as they aren't in 12, or even 10 round fights. A good all-around trainer is all that they need.

Now, if I were an aspiring star, getting televised fights, I'd want a coach who can devise good strategies and guide me throughout a fight. Getting in shape is something I don't need a lot of help with.

[Mike D]

Honestly I'd want an all-around bum trainer who was atrocious in all aspects, that way when I get my ass beat and look like I just drank a fifth before I entered the ring and got dropped hard off a range finding jab I could just blame his punk ass

[P.K Dionysus]

No to spoil the thread but strategy doesn't even come into play for aspiring fighters as they aren't in 12, or even 10 round fights. A good all-around trainer is all that they need.

Now, if I were an aspiring star, getting televised fights, I'd want a coach who can devise good strategies and guide me throughout a fight. Getting in shape is something I don't need a lot of help with.

Granted, this a rather poorly worded thread. But I was just thinking about boxers who are able to reach the pinnacle of the sport because they're gifted enough to do so, in spite of having mediocre trainers.

When Virgil Hunter gave Angulo "tactical advice" in the corner, Canelo whooped his ass. When he gave Dre advice, Dre managed to get the W, regardless of how controversial it may be.

It then got me wondering whether skills are more important than ring smarts. Manny became hella successful, and he seems pretty vacuous to me. Skilled and talented as hell, though.

I dunno, these were all incoherent thoughts that were bouncing around my dome immediately after waking up, and this thread was the result of that.

That aside, how've you been? Everything going well for you and yours?

[P.K Dionysus]

Honestly I'd want an all-around bum trainer who was atrocious in all aspects, that way when I get my ass beat and look like I just drank a fifth before I entered the ring and got dropped hard off a range finding jab I could just blame his punk ass

Lol, **** off Mike. Go ask Shaolin some questions about meat tenderizing techniques.

[Boxfan83]

Was amazing at training, knowledgeable, and knew a plethora of skills and extremely high level techniques... but was absolutely woeful when it game to strategies and corner advice, or an absolutely mediocre trainer, who often confused jabs for hooks and ****, but was second to none when it came to analysing opponents, and coming up with plans and strategies so effective, it was uncanny.

Who would you go for, and why?

You need some1 that is looking out for your best interest man.

[P.K Dionysus]

You need some1 that is looking out for your best interest man.

Yeah, at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

[Big_L]

I would take trainer #1 and bank on my ability to figure out needed adjustments during the fight.

[Redd Foxx]

Granted, this a rather poorly worded thread. But I was just thinking about boxers who are able to reach the pinnacle of the sport because they're gifted enough to do so, in spite of having mediocre trainers.

When Virgil Hunter gave Angulo "tactical advice" in the corner, Canelo whooped his ass. When he gave Dre advice, Dre managed to get the W, regardless of how controversial it may be.

It then got me wondering whether skills are more important than ring smarts. Manny became hella successful, and he seems pretty vacuous to me. Skilled and talented as hell, though.

I dunno, these were all incoherent thoughts that were bouncing around my dome immediately after waking up, and this thread was the result of that.

That aside, how've you been? Everything going well for you and yours?

Yea, I've thought about that before. Not just with Angulo, but Khan vs Canelo. Watch what Khan does w/ Alexander and you'll see a lot of Hunter's influence. And, even though I hated how Khan fought vs Algeri, you still see a guy using his strengths and protecting his weaknesses. Smart, strategic coaching. But, there's a definite limit. Khan was able to use a great strategy with the lateral footwork and timing against Canelo. You could hear Hunter calling it out to him. But, there comes a point at which the hill is too steep to climb and even the greatest of coaches is not going to be able to save the guy from what was a real mismatch.

Andy Lee vs Chavez Jr. Lee is down so Manny was demanding Lee stay out of the corner and box with him. Lee starts turning the fight around! Then, what does he do? Plants himself in the corner and gets obliterated.
No matter how good the coach, fighters have their limitations. Personally, I'm fascinated with cerebral coaches and in the gym, I'd always pick the brains of anyone who had a spare minute to talk technique.

Regarding the other, plenty of ups and down this month but ending it on a high note so that's a positive. Thx.