Comments Thread For: Kovalev's Trainer Jackson Tried To Jump Ship To Andre Ward's Team?

[satiev1]

Total bs don't buy it. Kovalev's coach wants to go to ward's team and kovalev still keeps him on board? Then he continues to train kovalev even though he wants to leave? Most ******ed gossip new story ever.

[MrRolltide91]

Crazy......

[Hype job]

[Boxing Logic]

This just sounds like Team Ward trying to CAUSE discord in Kovalev's camp.

However, one thing is true. JDJ is a black man, and he is an American. Many Americans have bias towards Americans, against Russians. Many black men have bias based on skin color, sadly. From his interviews, JDJ always sounded more intelligent than most black fighters or trainers in boxing, some of whom are indeed racist.

However, if the reports of JDJ feeling disrespected are true, coupled with all the media hype (bull****) about Kovalev hating black people, I did begin to wonder if JDJ wouldn't fall for the narrative like many other, less intelligent people have, and start to think "Kovalev disrespects me because I'm black." And if he started to think that way, I did always assume he would be a prime candidate to be a mole in Kovalev's camp. I already imagined the phone call before the first fight. "Kovalev is Russian. You're American. Ward is American. Kovalev hates black people. You're black. Kovalev disrespects you. So how about you keep taking his money so you can put food on your table, and you do your job like normal, but you tell us everything that goes on, so that this racist Russian gets what's coming to him. After it's over, then you can quit and we'll hire you officially so you don't lose your income."

If a phone call like that took place, what do you imagine JDJ's reaction would be? Would he decline or say yes? See I like to think based on his intelligence that he wouldn't fall for all of that, but if it's true that Kovalev really doesn't listen to him, then on top of possible racial bias that sadly even some intelligent people harbor under the surface, it's also just human nature to say "well **** him then" when someone disrespects you.

Considering that strong possibility, not to mention the other black men who work with JDJ who also have the possibility of racial/nationalistic bias against Kovalev, I think there's a very, very strong possibility that Kovalev has moles in his camp either in JDJ himself, or the people he works with.

Lastly, Kovalev suffered a bloody nose from a headbutt in round 9 against Ward, but in the corner between rounds, neither JDJ nor his cut man worked on Kovalev's nose to stop the bleeding. Then in round 10, Kovalev outthrew and outlanded Ward, but all three judges gave Ward the round. Besides corruption, you know one possible reason? Because a Ward jab made his nose start bleeding again in round 10, because Kovalev's corner did not work on it between rounds. The judges could have scored the blood, even though it was from a headbutt. Kovalev's corner was either incompetent, or they set up Kovalev on purpose by not addressing the bleeding in between rounds so that it would start bleeding again the first time Ward touched him next round.

Either way, that doesn't sound like an elite trainer, or elite corner, the way some people talk about JDJ. In the biggest fight of his career as a trainer, either he or his cutman totally dropped the ball. So maybe he didn't deserve trainer of the year after all... Or is that not the trainer's responsibility? It's su****ious.

[Hype job]

Looks like Ward's camp trying to guilt trip JDJ for being with "them Russians" instead of his "brothas".

Da Rushains b cheatin'

[Mister Wolf]

Jackson has something like this before, to work an opposite corner, with hopkins v kov.

Must be difficult though, kov says himself that he's a difficult guy to tell what to do, plus language barrier.

Not putting too much down to race, feels like wards side wants to, but hey, if kov and his mgt was so racist, Jackson would have never been in the picture from day 1.

You sound silly as if racists in several countries don't have a history of other races working for them in servitude taking care of their kids cooking their food and everything else. Hiring Jackson doesn't prove **** about Kovalev not being a racist *******.

[kidbazooka]

Russians are known cheaters and scammers not surprised jdj wants out.

[TheCleaner]

You sound silly as if racists in several countries don't have a history of other races working for them in servitude taking care of their kids cooking their food and everything else. Hiring Jackson doesn't prove **** about Kovalev not being a racist *******.

There's quite a difference. This isn't a bucket carrier... It's the head trainer, they guy you have to respect and listen to, the guy your team has to be prepared to take orders from. I'm just saying if the race thing was so deep to start with, they'd have gone with a white trainer at the start, if the race thing was so deep, kov and his team wouldn't stomach putting themselves in a position of servitude to jdj and his game plans

[Mister Wolf]

There's quite a difference. This isn't a bucket carrier... It's the head trainer, they guy you have to respect and listen to, the guy your team has to be prepared to take orders from. I'm just saying if the race thing was so deep to start with, they'd have gone with a white trainer at the start, if the race thing was so deep, kov and his team wouldn't stomach putting themselves in a position of servitude to jdj and his game plans.

There isnt a difference, people can appreciate peoples talent at something and still be racist towards them. Like Pascal said "Even racist whites in the south were listening to Ray Charles." besides that it should be obvious from everything up until now he doesnt respect Jackson.

[Boxing Logic]

By the way people keep posting that quote where Kovalev said some American trainers think they're great, but really all they know how to do is work pads, as proof that Kovalev is racist or something, but has anyone ever stopped to ask, "what if he's right?" Who else has JDJ trained besides Kovalev? How do you know, besides Kovalev being good, that JDJ is a great trainer?

JDJ was a great BOXER in the 1980s. Training methods have evolved a lot since then, how do you know JDJ is educated about all that? Kovalev grew up in the Russian system, isn't it possible he could have had some sort of Soviet boxing guru like Lomachenko's dad who taught him expertly, and now these old school American trainers like JDJ really do seem basic to him? How do you know that's not the case? Just look how well schooled Kovalev is, you think he became that way in Russia by having bad training? It's quite possible he had great schooling in Russia and the training he's gotten in America simply is not at the same level. Maybe he really is smarter than the trainers he's basically been assigned in America based on location, like Abel and JDJ. Golovkin was already elite before he got to Abel. Abel just crafted a more aggressive style, but GGG was already a gold-medal caliber Olympic boxer before training with Abel, and that's without having elite speed so you know he wad to be well schooled. He didn't have elite speed, the big gloves and headgear muted his elite power, and yet he still had that success in the amateurs? I mean he must have been VERY well schooled long before Abel.

Plus, most of you guys talking **** about Kovalev also hate GGG, and by extension the man who talks up GGG more than anyone, Abel Sanchez. So while I know you take it personally when Kovalev insinuates a black trainer, JDJ, doesn't know what he's doing, I bet you would be very quick to support the idea with Abel Sanchez. So how do you know it's not true with both?

I mean, I have no inside knowledge, but I can at least see this possibility. Maybe Kovalev just learned from the best back in Russia, whoever his coaches were growing up, and maybe he's just smart enough to tell that both Abel and JDJ are overrated, and can't teach him much that wasn't already better taught to him in Russia, so he prefers to just train the way he was taught growing up, and essentially train himself. Does that make him such an a**hole?

I mean maybe he is! It's possible. I certainly think Abel has done great with GGG, but again GGG was already great. I'm just saying, this is another possibility, one most of you have not considered due to your own biases. The truth is many black boxing fans hate Kovalev, and hate the idea that there could be a great white champion who also, they think, hates black people, so it's been obvious for awhile that some of these fans have tried to rationalize it by telling themselves, "well yeah he's white and yeah he's great, but he shouldn't really count as white because he's not an American white! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!! Plus, he's only good because he has a black trainer who taught him everything!" Therefore the idea that Kovalev could actually be great only because of himself and Russian trainers, and that he may not even listen to his black trainer and may actually know the sweet science better than his black trainer, really bothers these people.

Again, I'm not even saying that's true. I'm just saying it's a possibility, but I understand why I've seen hundreds of posts crediting JDJ for his success, and criticizing Kovalev for not listening to him, and zero entertaining the possibility that JDJ is overrated, and that Kovalev could have good reason for sticking with what he learned in Russia. There is bias out there, that's for sure. What the truth is, we're not privy right to now, just different people talking, but there is bias out there that is coloring the narrative here, that is a fact.