why do we have to go over the top when someone loses....

[SCEN3RY]

wtf is it with this forum when a fighter loses lol. Ive read so much ****ing nonsense over the last couple of days, brooks a bum, he was never any good, he needs to retire.

Why the rubbish? Am i the only one who thought brook looked great in the first half of the fight? Spence wore him down with some great tactics, proved himself and was the better man on the night. Lets give him lots of credit. But is it really necessary to throw brook on the trash heap now?

I didn't think Brook looked that great honestly. His balance [at times], they way he threw some of his punches and his inability to adjust was kind of cringe worthy. He's clearly a capable fighter, but I thought his game plan was poor. He came out and thought he could hit Spence with some hard shots and then the tide would go his way, but it didn't and then he just became very lackadaisical...for an "elite" fighter it was upsetting to see, considering I just saw him do the same with Golovkin; he hit G with some solid shots and didn't really deter him and then went to the ropes and let G have at him. Part of that is a stamina issue.

I think Brook is a solid fighter, I really do, but I'm certainly not seeing a "great" effort from Brook like some others have claimed. Brook is good and very effective if you let him fight at his pace, otherwise he doesn't like a higher tempo and it really shows when he's pressed.

I'd like to see Brook again. I think this loss opens some doors for him at 147 that were otherwise less likely - guys like Khan and Broner might entertain a fight with Brook now more so and those are good fights. Brook-Garcia is another quality match. Brook, unfortunately, faced two stylistically hard fights...Golovkin and Spence expose everything Brook doesn't like, especially being his size or bigger. The good thing for Brook is, there are plenty of guys who aren't anything like them.

[Larry the boss]

boy stop!!!! is Spence had lost you would be having a damn field day

[sunny31]

wtf is it with this forum when a fighter loses lol. Ive read so much ****ing nonsense over the last couple of days, brooks a bum, he was never any good, he needs to retire.

Why the rubbish? Am i the only one who thought brook looked great in the first half of the fight? Spence wore him down with some great tactics, proved himself and was the better man on the night. Lets give him lots of credit. But is it really necessary to throw brook on the trash heap now?

If you fight at world level you win some and lose some, unless you are an unbelieveable, true elite fighter. What if spence goes onto lose to thurman, you all gonna say he was ****?
And if spence is the fighter people think he is, then wheres the disgrace in coming 2nd best? Or is that how it works on here, if you arent the best in the division you are crap?

Its no wonder why some fighters are reluctant to test themselves when they have people ****ting on them once they lose.

The guy fought golovkin and spence back to back, give him some credit.

As long as the eye holds up theres still plenty of great matches he could be involved in.
Brook can come back. Stop writing fighters off so quickly. All it takes is a couple of good wins and you are back at the top.

Maybe because certain posters go over the top before the fight, saying stuff like Spence is the equivalent of Jeff lacy and he is an American hype job that will get ktfo.

Know anyone like that?

I agree, Brook looked great for the most part, but perhaps you're the wrong messenger for this since you talked mad shyt about how garbage Spence was before the fight. You fueled the fire, don't cry about getting burnt.

Look TS there is some constructive criticism by the two guys above . I also told you months ago, you should listen more and talk less, because from my perspective you still have a lot of learning to do for someone to be as outspoken as you.

You come across as a super troll, and thats fine, there is plenty on here, but if that isn't true, and see yourself as a serious knowledgable poster, than for the most part you fail at that, because you are not all that knowledgable when it comes to the sweet science. This is not a personal dig, or attack, you don't bother me really, I just call it as I see it.

So if you are a troll, carry on as you are, because you are very good at it. If you want to be taken seriously - listen more, talk less, stop making silly threads (this is not one of them), contribute in the topics which interest you.

In terms of the thread - I think a few people have touched on some good points already. Just to add to it, I feel fans of this era are not used to regular competitive fights, which is what we are getting recently. When elite fighters fight each other, obviously one guy loses, but most likely both guys will seem human and have to dig deep. That is what it is supposed to be like, your weaknesses should get exposed when you reach the highest level.

It seems fans don't know how to interpret what is going on in the ring, most likely due to a lack of actual boxing knowledge, and that means that they can't properly analyse what they have seen. Also lots of people are reactionary - so they have instant reactions of a said fighter post fight, sometimes you can't analyse fighters/fights in that way, and you need a bigger sample of data, not just one fight.

As an example I think the Carson Jones first fight was a warning sign that Kell is a fighter who can be broken down to the body, and doesn't have elite level stamina, especially at welterweight. They made the excuses about him not taking training seriously back then, and there is probably truth to that, but I was always still dubious.

He masked it well in the Porter fight by holding and nullifying and keeping the pace slower as a result. But I think now after the Spence fight, if you said Kell has 'stamina issues' there is some credible evidence. What I will say is that - in the Carson Jones rematch, interestingly Kell fought it at 150 lbs, and so what we may find out in the future is whether Kell's stamina issues are due to the weight cut, or that he is a fighter who will always have struggles with stamina in a competitive fight.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Brook is finished, DONE. Nowhere to go from here. He won't make it at 154 either, too many hungry, young lions! Maybe he should just feast on Euro-level fighters for the remainder of his career, or sell his soul to Khan. I don't see Brook becoming a LEGIT champ in any division going forward.

Good luck to him nonetheless.

[Eff Pandas]

Its basic sh^t brother. Change is scary. Different is scary.

A lot of the worlds problems & just lack of improvement with obvious issues well beyond this forum are a lot about change & different being scary to a large segment of the population. That's why so much of the change in the world happens slowly & by super bold & daring cats who can see what people will end up wanting tomorrow while they are against it today.

I ultimately think its some biological caveman, thousands & thousands of years bred in us, type sh^t in our DNA. You go against the grain & your chances of dying greatly increase. Thus you hang out with the tribe by the water or where the food is & don't go out trying to explore the land where maybe the animals that'll eat you are at or where you don't know where the food & water will be. People underrate are caveman days influence in our current DNA I think.

[Redd Foxx]

You come across as a super troll, and thats fine, there is plenty on here, but if that isn't true, and see yourself as a serious knowledgable poster, than for the most part you fail at that, because you are not all that knowledgable when it comes to the sweet science.

I think that's the problem. Drama has shown he can be a good member but he has turned down the super troll route. I can get along with trolls and even enjoy some of them, but when they want to step out of troll mode and say, "hey, back off" they are not respected by anyone. He's putting himself in the category of trash like headshots and hypejob.

[sunny31]

I think that's the problem. Drama has shown he can be a good member but he has turned down the super troll route. I can get along with trolls and even enjoy some of them, but when they want to step out of troll mode and say, "hey, back off" they are not respected by anyone. He's putting himself in the category of trash like headshots and hypejob.

Exactly, spot on. He has to learn to deal with the consequences or change his ways, you can't have the best of both worlds.

[MPX309]

Maybe because certain posters go over the top before the fight, saying stuff like Spence is the equivalent of Jeff lacy and he is an American hype job that will get ktfo.

Know anyone like that?

hahahaha. Ohh, you can't be raising points like that. too much "truth"

[Kigali]

Posters here like the TS that are annoying fans with an agenda entices over the top reactions when the guy they sponsor loses.

Now he is here crying why can we more tolerant

He's a hoe-ass b*tch.

[NYG]

A loss is really looked down upon in boxing for some reason and it ruins the sport. I mean, Ali lost, Sugar Ray lost, Theyre considered two of the best fighters ever and they have losses. Some undefeated fighters fought nobody and thats why they are undefeated, not all of them but some. Losses really ruins a fighter in this sport but some of the best in UFC have losses. Even McGregor lost a few times. Its ****ed up

Not sure why people are ****ting on bigdramashow here. When Brook lost, he made a thread and gave Spence credit and admitted he was wrong. Who cares if he talked ****? Its ****ing boxing, al we do is talk ****.

I think what bigdramashow is saying is that the fans shouldnt throw a boxer in the garbage because he lost a fight or two and he is right. Losses happen, some really good fighters lose sometimes. Its just how sports is and if you look down on that, you dont know sports