Comments Thread For: Amir Khan Slams *********s For Bombing, Twisting ****** Faith

[FrankieBruno]

Delusional Frankie.

9/11 was before Iraq & Libya and so was the 1993 WTC attack for that matter.

This isn't blowback, these are deranged people living amongst us, they don't need a reason to hate us, it's enough that we're western and different to them.

It's time they're sent back to the third world mumbo jumbo lands of their fathers, they don't belong in our first world society.

9/11 was carried out by the Saudi's

But i'm not talking about Afghanistan, i am specifically talking about Iraq - Blair was warned of the consequences that would follow, in a report. He knew there was no real evidence, but him and his ilk still took us over there. If you don't think there is a direct link between the increase in terrorism and invading and destabilizing the middle east, then i don't know what to say tbh mate

Iraq and Libya should have been left alone...and our governments should not have armed rebel groups to fight Assad - a ********ically elected leader. The rise of the ISIS is a direct result of the mess or governments created over there, we built the environment for such barbaric factions to rise and flourish. I hope we don't try to remove Assad because believe me its going to be a bigger mess than Iraq.

This would not have happened under Saddams and Gaddafi's Iraq and Libya, these groups wouldn't even breath.


We need to stop running experiments over there, destroying their economies, killing their loved ones, providing propaganda to recruiters, creating more enemies.

Instead we should secure our boarders and deal with the *********s on our shores. Work with each other and put in place a system to isolate terror suspects an those that preach hatred. Tag all terror suspects, ban them from using the internet - we do this with pedo's, basically deal with *********s like we deal with child ******ers. Also invest more into policing. This guy was reported to the authorities, by 2 of his friends, his mother, and the Iman at the Mosque, yet he was still left to walk the streets. The system is flawed

[soul_survivor]

I applaud khan's coming out and condemning the atrocity which took place in Manchester. I'm a convert to Islam and have been a practicing ****** for over 25yrs now. Islam forbids the killing of children and any non combatants who are not taking up arms against the ****** nation. Executions are only allowed in Islam by trial, sanctioned by an Islamic Court or panel of judges just like courts of law in certain states which carry capital punishment.ISIS Al Qaeda, Al Nusra all have ties to western intelligence apparatuses. Their leadership is top heavy with intelligence assets working for western gov'ts who are purposely destabilizing the entire region. In order to get the public behind this "Bogarting " of the region,on behalf of western corporate and Military hegemony, high profile attacks on western nation's are necessary.Most people don't remember Gladio or aren't familiar with it's 40yr history,esp. in the US. I can tell you The only ****** who would engage in these type of atrocities is totally ignorant of the religion or is pretending to be a ******. Stealing ,Cheating, Killing, and raping a non ******, holds the same weight in God's sight as if done to a ******. Burning houses of worship other than Islamic ones, is a sin.In Iraq, ISIS destroyed the tombs of prophet Yunus (Jonah) and Danyeel (Daniel) This is a desecration. My mother is Christian. No forcing or compulsion is allowed. A big misconception. God forbids forced conversions, simply because, they're not sincere or genuine and are done out of duress and God has no need of this. You either come willingly, or don't bother, because it doesn't count.In Islam, Like the Constitution of the US, Man has an inalienable right of choice. This is granted to all of humanity.However, now I see the writing on the wall. Islam is being scapegoated by ****** imposters to justify what's coming next. This new dystopian age will begin with the ******s and end with everyone else. My advice to all those who have preconceived notions and opinions based on agenda based literature and media, get to know a practicing ****** your co worker ,your neighbor Unlike some other religions there is no hidden or secret or exclusive knowledge only available to a chosen class. You ask a question about the religion, the person being asked if they have the knowledge, is forbidden from hiding or changing any part of the religion to suit individual or societal tastes or norms. You tell it like it is or you don't tell it.******s today are afraid to talk to people about the religion, they just want to keep it in the closet,which in some respects is understandable,but not when when things like this happen It's my duty to eradicate to the best of my ability any misconceptions about my religion,which if practiced according to the Quran is one of the most just prophetic traditions the world has ever seen,and I mean Just. I'm a witness to Islam's justice, fairness and compassion for all. Last statement, No where in the world does an Islamic state exist. Only countries that have ****** populations exists,including Arabia and Iran, although they like to consider themselves as such,they are not.You would have to go back to the Ottoman's prior to WWI. and towards the end it was so thoroughly compromised from within, by the turn of the 19th century, they were a mere shell of it's former state status.

Great post.

What I would like to add is that according to an MI5 report from 2008 which looked into the likelihood of radicalisation in the UK, they found that practicing ******s were the least likeliest to be radicalise. The most likely? People that drink, do drugs and frequent **********s. The report also went on to say that the term Islamic extremis is not accurate and that Islamic novices should be used instead.

Why is the former still part of the media and government lexicon?

The murdering scumbag was reported by members of his community, though, wasn't he? To the MI5 hotline no less. Hell even his own mother is reported to have contacted authorities with her concerns. I'd say those who knew he was a danger did their duty, or at least tried to - isn't it about time to stop pillorying the entire ****** community?

Just what I was about to post.

Well I haven't read any reports about his family reporting him (his father seemed in denial) if they did, they did the right thing but why have a chip on your shoulder about it? What's wrong with asking people to do more and encouraging them to do so? Expecially when the outcome is the loss of innocent lives

You should read more. I'm not sure if the mother reported him or not but 2 people reported him 5 years ago for showing sympathy with suicide bombers and that entire ideology...do you know what happened? Nothing. The security services refused to act on that information.

[peakbay]

Great post.

What I would like to add is that according to an MI5 report from 2008 which looked into the likelihood of radicalisation in the UK, they found that practicing ******s were the least likeliest to be radicalise. The most likely? People that drink, do drugs and frequent **********s. The report also went on to say that the term Islamic extremis is not accurate and that Islamic novices should be used instead.

Why is the former still part of the media and government lexicon?



Just what I was about to post.



You should read more. I'm not sure if the mother reported him or not but 2 people reported him 5 years ago for showing sympathy with suicide bombers and that entire ideology...do you know what happened? Nothing. The security services refused to act on that information.

I should read more. really? Well been busy doing other things but you've obviously been reading about it and didn't know if it was his mother or not so.....

That's why the government need to do more and actually act on these things but the moment they do it becomes a attack on islam. People don't want to admit that it's a huge problem and it stems from religious beliefs taken from the Koran. Everyone knows not all ******s have those beliefs but why get offended about being asked to help tackle the problem. I would imagine most ******s would want to rid islam of these twisted nut job's

[Citizen Koba]

9/11 was carried out by the Saudi's

But i'm not talking about Afghanistan, i am specifically talking about Iraq - Blair was warned of the consequences that would follow, in a report. He knew there was no real evidence, but him and his ilk still took us over there. If you don't think there is a direct link between the increase in terrorism and invading and destabilizing the middle east, then i don't know what to say tbh mate

Iraq and Libya should have been left alone...and our governments should not have armed rebel groups to fight Assad - a ********ically elected leader. The rise of the ISIS is a direct result of the mess or governments created over there, we built the environment for such barbaric factions to rise and flourish. I hope we don't try to remove Assad because believe me its going to be a bigger mess than Iraq.

This would not have happened under Saddams and Gaddafi's Iraq and Libya, these groups wouldn't even breath.


We need to stop running experiments over there, destroying their economies, killing their loved ones, providing propaganda to recruiters, creating more enemies.

Instead we should secure our boarders and deal with the *********s on our shores. Work with each other and put in place a system to isolate terror suspects an those that preach hatred. Tag all terror suspects, ban them from using the internet - we do this with pedo's, basically deal with *********s like we deal with child ******ers. Also invest more into policing. This guy was reported to the authorities, by 2 of his friends, his mother, and the Iman at the Mosque, yet he was still left to walk the streets. The system is flawed

Excellent post, man.

[peakbay]

That should apply to all communities why single out one community? Where is the pressure on the police, intelligence agencies to do more?

What about the Charleston Church shooting? I didnt see anyone saying white Christians were at fault or should have done more, in fact it wasn't even referred to as a ********* attack (which it was).

Another poster gave you clear examples of people reporting the guy including members of his own family so I don't see you're point at all. Its a complete fabrication that the ****** community aren't reporting ********* activity because they are. These bombings are indiscriminate so believe it or not ******s are also dying at the hand of these *********s (men, women and children).

These *********s have been targeting and killing ******s more than any other community, ******s hate them just as much as every other community.

You just proved my point by going straight on the defence

[SteveM]

The 2 million figure is probably well towards the top end of the estimates but a total figure of 1 to 1.5 million civilians between 1991 and the present would be acceptable to most - higher if you include deaths that could be indirectly attributable due to the rise of violent organisation and jihadist groups in the ruins of society left after the two invasions. The Lancet study counting excess deaths from 2003 - 2006 totaled 654,000 (other studies have come out much higher though the IBC has the figure much lower) though this and most other studies do not include deaths from disease or malnutrition which are the direct result of the breakdown of society. The aftermath of the first Gulf War was also incredibly costly - the sanctions regime (described by the UNs own inspectors as 'genocidal') targeted medicines and foodstuffs and, predictably, a vast number of the victims were children. Estimated deaths range from about 350000 to close to a million (mainly children or the elderly). The figure of 500,000 is generally not considered an overestimate. Direct civilian casualties from Coaltion action in the 1991 war are estimated in the 20 - 30000 range.

So. Totals between 1991 and 2006 are around 1.2 million excess civilian deaths without including those who have died from disease or malnutrition as a result of fragmented infrastructure and other factors. Some estimates are much, much higher. I'd probably be a little peeved if it was my country.

I'm not here to defend the US' actions against other states. I am at the head of the line to condemn them as it's all about maintaining perpetual war or state of preparedness for war to support the needs of the military industrial complex.

But I did say "direct" for a reason. After Saddam invaded Kuwait there was an appropriate response. A counter punch that floored Iraq. But for whatever reason the USA didn't go for the KO at that time.

The fact that the sanctions caused death could easily be attributed to Saddam. He only had to stand down and he could have have seen the sanctions lifted.

You can do whatever you want with statistics - we all know the expression "there are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics."

I also understand why ****** extremists are attacking soft targets. But 2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Poppo168]

9/11 was carried out by the Saudi's

But i'm not talking about Afghanistan, i am specifically talking about Iraq - Blair was warned of the consequences that would follow, in a report. He knew there was no real evidence, but him and his ilk still took us over there. If you don't think there is a direct link between the increase in terrorism and invading and destabilizing the middle east, then i don't know what to say tbh mate

Iraq and Libya should have been left alone...and our governments should not have armed rebel groups to fight Assad - a ********ically elected leader. The rise of the ISIS is a direct result of the mess or governments created over there, we built the environment for such barbaric factions to rise and flourish. I hope we don't try to remove Assad because believe me its going to be a bigger mess than Iraq.

This would not have happened under Saddams and Gaddafi's Iraq and Libya, these groups wouldn't even breath.


We need to stop running experiments over there, destroying their economies, killing their loved ones, providing propaganda to recruiters, creating more enemies.

Instead we should secure our boarders and deal with the *********s on our shores. Work with each other and put in place a system to isolate terror suspects an those that preach hatred. Tag all terror suspects, ban them from using the internet - we do this with pedo's, basically deal with *********s like we deal with child ******ers. Also invest more into policing. This guy was reported to the authorities, by 2 of his friends, his mother, and the Iman at the Mosque, yet he was still left to walk the streets. The system is flawed

This is pretty much the exact answer I would've given. The UK and the US instigated this by sticking our noses in again being the World Police.

Our government and also the people need to realise that this problem needs to be addressed now because burying our heads in the sand won't stop this monster. Everybody seems to be so politically correct that they can't acknowledge the demographic that are causing these attacks & if you happen to say the word '******' when talking about our problems HOLY **** do people go on a rant about how you're racist.

Think logically people, not emotionally.

[SteveM]

The invasion of Iraq? You know when they said Iraq had chemical weapons but none were found. 2million+ innocent Iraqi's were killed by the subsequent invasion by Western countries and it was all down to oil...

Yes it is down to oil. No, you haven't even shown where 2 million Iraqis were killed as a result of the invasion, not directly because of it. You stating that repeatedly does not make it so. It also doesn't justify blowing up kids at a concert - or do you think it does?

Finally, if Iranian, Pakistani, Jordanian, Syrian, Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Omani, Algerian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Lebanese leaders won't condemn such a cowardly terror attack - let them come out and make a statement saying the attack is a logical consequence of western powers invading Arab countries.

[LetOutTheCage]

You just proved my point by going straight on the defence

Why because I called you out for picking on a particular community, which you said weren't doing enough despite someone highlighting examples otherwise. You're certainly proving my point, someone who makes ridiculous comments without actually reading into the story in detail. How about you address my valid points instead of trying to side-step them

[LetOutTheCage]

Yes it is down to oil. No, you haven't even shown where 2 million Iraqis were killed as a result of the invasion, not directly because of it. You stating that repeatedly does not make it so. It also doesn't justify blowing up kids at a concert - or do you think it does?

Finally, if Iranian, Pakistani, Jordanian, Syrian, Iraqi, Kuwaiti, Omani, Algerian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Lebanese leaders won't condemn such a cowardly terror attack - let them come out and make a statement saying the attack is a logical consequence of western powers invading Arab countries.

You should have stopped here