140lb Terence "Bud" Crawford vs 140lb Floyd "Pretty Boy Mayweather

[djtmal]

Crawford wouldn't have tried to weasel out of the tests. He never has. Only one guy refused testing and then wouldn't agree to any of the compromise cutoff dates offered. Only one guy refused an offer 30% more than he ever got (in fairness that turned out to be the right move as he got double that plus). It is unfair to suggest others would behave like Manny did.

If you care about being honest, then you'd point out that Floyd called out all of these threats and none of them would fight him until after he made ODH more money than any opponent he ever fought, including Chavez sr and Tito, guys with huge fanbases.

He preserved himself-you mean he "retired" (sat out) citing hand injuries. A quick question-when others fighters "retired" for a while-example Marco Antonio Barrera or SRL-were they doing that to preserve themselves while others fought?

Again, you are not being honest. Floyd didn't force Shane to have a toothache. Floyd didn't force Manny to fight JMM a 4th time and get KTFO. These men made these decisions. Hold them accountable and stop using their cowardness to judge Floyd's career.

If you give Crawford a good chance to outpoint Prime Floyd I am fine with that. Prime Floyd would be the best boxer in the world right now. I just hope your opinion assumes this but my guess it doesn't.

You whole agenda is still about implicating Manny Pacquaio for refusing to take a test. That ship has sailed man and Floyd still gets as much flack for allowing him to walk from the table in 2009, so kill yourself. Stop deflecting and inserting the typical excuses. This ain't about who wouldn't take a test. Its about Floyd's roadblocks when threats arise. Whether its accusing guys of juicing, or conveniently retiring to duck a heated division. Its obvious dude had no real reason to duck a division, or launch personal crusades against guys with no real concrete evidence.

If Floyd was so committed to fighting the best, or better yet, where he stood amongst the best of the best in any era, it would have been Margarito over Carlos Baldomir, it would have been his mandatory for two years Thurman over Berto. If he was so committed about who the public wanted him to fight between Khan and Maidana, it would have been Khan, who actually won the public poll. Had it went down like that, perhaps you wouldn't have to keep implicating the other parties on a day to day basis.

[WesternChamp]

If mnny had accepted testing, there would be no need for a counter offer.



You are having a problem comprehending posts. You are also going off on tangents and its making this back and forth more difficult than it needs to be.

I made 2 separate statements.

1. if Crawford and Manny fight it will not be boring.
2. If you think Crafword beats prime Floyd then you surely think he will beat current Manny.

no, that's why its called negotiating!!

you posted yesterday saying you dont see crawford fighting any different. the guy you was having a debate with said crawford is going to use his reach and height to keep manny away thus making it a boring fight. (remember i never said it will be a boring fight).

[djtmal]

he was only "challenged" vs castillo, and Jesus Chavez in 30+ fights at 130-140 everyone else he thoroughly dominated

floyd at 147 and 154 was in his 30s, out of his best weight and past prime


from 130-140 he proved it against better opposition than Crawford has faced thus far bwhahahahahahaha


Jose Luis Castillo(2x)...Corrales...chicanito Hernandez, Gatti, Corely, Jesus Chavez, Angel Manfredy, Goyo Vargas, and Carlos Hernandez


sorry....

keep it to 140lbs. the thread is crawford vs. floyd @ 140 lbs.

140 lbs. floyd's resume thins out considerably...the best is a washed gatti

[therealpugilist]

keep it to 140lbs. the thread is crawford vs. floyd @ 140 lbs.

cool....you do realize at 140, floyd was in his prime....was 27-28 years old and fought nothing like he did at 147 and 154

so who has Crawford faced in his entire career to indicate he would beat mayweather? no one

you are a butthurt detractor who never gives assessments or uses logic

Crawford simply is not on a prime mayweathers level.....mayweather is faster, quicker legs, better footwork, better counters, higher ring iq, adapts quicker, better counter puncher, better defense, had more experience by the time he was at 140 and had a better resume....deal with it

[therealpugilist]

keep it to 140lbs. the thread is crawford vs. floyd @ 140 lbs.

140 lbs. floyd's resume thins out considerably...the best is a washed gatti

does who he fought at 140, erase what he did at 130 and 135 and the fact that HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT 140 AS FAR AS SKILLS, ATHLETICISM, AND MAN STRENGTH?

[The Big Dunn]

You whole agenda is still about implicating Manny Pacquaio for refusing to take a test. That ship has sailed man and Floyd still gets as much flack for allowing him to walk from the table in 2009, so kill yourself. Stop deflecting and inserting the typical excuses. This ain't about who wouldn't take a test. Its about Floyd's roadblocks when threats arise. Whether its accusing guys of juicing, or conveniently retiring to duck a heated division. Its obvious dude had no real reason to duck a division, or launch personal crusades against guys with no real concrete evidence.

If Floyd was so committed to fighting the best, or better yet, where he stood amongst the best of the best in any era, it would have been Margarito over Carlos Baldomir, it would have been his mandatory for two years Thurman over Berto. If he was so committed about who the public wanted him to fight between Khan and Maidana, it would have been Khan, who actually won the public poll. Had it went down like that, perhaps you wouldn't have to keep implicating the other parties on a day to day basis.

Agenda? he refused to take the tests. I'm not making it up or falsely implicating him in a scandal he had no knowledge of. "Allowing him to walk away" and "roadblocks" LOL. Never in the history of the sport is it a roadblock when a fighter refuses to fight.

I guess GGG had "roadblocks" up against Cotto, Sergio and Canelo. Imagine if someone actually posted and believed this? You'd think they were ******ed.

SO it would have been a fringe WW champion over the lineal champ that had just upset the best in the division. OK.

I agree, I had hoped he fought Thurman or GGG instead of Berto. Of course it makes no sense to judge someone's whole career on their last or 2nd to last fight now does it?

An offer was made. Part of the offer was PED testing for both fighters. That part was rejected by Manny. Those are facts. If he didn't refuse, I'd not be posting he did.

If it was any other boxer that had fighters refuse to fight them you'd just admit it and move on.

[djtmal]

does who he fought at 140, erase what he did at 130 and 135 and the fact that HE WAS IN HIS PRIME AT 140 AS FAR AS SKILLS, ATHLETICISM, AND MAN STRENGTH?

you just a floyd cheerleader, the rest of us is talking floyd/crawford @ 140lbs.

and save your f**king breath, we know what floyd brings to the table, but the reality is, the best guy floyd fought @ 140 is a washed gatti, the next guy after that is corley the journeyman's journeyman....

crawford just handled a prime olympic gold medalist thoroughly...gave him a thumping....

floyd never fought this type of dude @ 140...real skills...taller...just as long if not longer reach advantage...ambidextrious with power in both hands...real good finisher in his own right...i say he can outpoint floyd at 140...

[therealpugilist]

you just a floyd cheerleader, the rest of us is talking floyd/crawford @ 140lbs.

and save your f**king breath, we know what floyd brings to the table, but the reality is, the best guy floyd fought @ 140 is a washed gatti, the next guy after that is corley the journeyman's journeyman....

crawford just handled a prime olympic gold medalist thoroughly...gave him a thumping....

floyd never fought this type of dude @ 140...real skills...taller...just as long if not longer reach advantage...ambidextrious with power in both hands...real good finisher in his own right...i say he can outpoint floyd at 140...

.....argument nullified...who has crawford faced with a prime mayweathers skills, RING IQ, and natural ability...no one...deal with it,


get your facts straight...they are no more than .5 inches seperated in height and floyd has 2 inches on him in reach

bruh...you dont know shyt about boxing bwahahahahahahahaa

now asks other posters who make more sense...me or you...bwahahahahaha


im a cheerleader because i school you by supporting my opinion with facts and logic........:bukkake:

[The Big Dunn]

you just a floyd cheerleader, the rest of us is talking floyd/crawford @ 140lbs.

and save your f**king breath, we know what floyd brings to the table, but the reality is, the best guy floyd fought @ 140 is a washed gatti, the next guy after that is corley the journeyman's journeyman....

crawford just handled a prime olympic gold medalist thoroughly...gave him a thumping....

floyd never fought this type of dude @ 140...real skills...taller...just as long if not longer reach advantage...ambidextrious with power in both hands...real good finisher in his own right...i say he can outpoint floyd at 140...

The only problem with your opinion is it assumes that the Diaz Crawford just fought is similar to prime floyd.

Now I know you hate Floyd, which is cool. I know you don't think he is as great as the media says or people think which is also fine.

You don't really think Diaz and Prime Floyd are similar though? Prime Floyd (at the time he went to 140) was either the #1 or #2 ranked p4p fighter in the world. He had won multiple titles in multiple classes. Had a high KO %.

Do you honestly think Diaz that just fought Crawford is on that level?

[djtmal]

Agenda? he refused to take the tests. I'm not making it up or falsely implicating him in a scandal he had no knowledge of. "Allowing him to walk away" and "roadblocks" LOL. Never in the history of the sport is it a roadblock when a fighter refuses to fight.

I guess GGG had "roadblocks" up against Cotto, Sergio and Canelo. Imagine if someone actually posted and believed this? You'd think they were ******ed.

SO it would have been a fringe WW champion over the lineal champ that had just upset the best in the division. OK.

I agree, I had hoped he fought Thurman or GGG instead of Berto. Of course it makes no sense to judge someone's whole career on their last or 2nd to last fight now does it?

An offer was made. Part of the offer was PED testing for both fighters. That part was rejected by Manny. Those are facts. If he didn't refuse, I'd not be posting he did.

If it was any other boxer that had fighters refuse to fight them you'd just admit it and move on.

Thats right. Agenda.

Who cares at this point. This is supposed to be TBE. He supposed to be a cut above everybody that laced 'em up.

Look at you. Floyd vs. Crawford @ 140. You make it a point to drag Manny in it, and go on and on about him refusing to take a test in 2009. Get the f**k over it. When they finally got it on, they fought like geriatrics, and nobody in their right mind gives Floyd much credit for that listless hugfest, just like they don't put much stock in the Cotto and Mosley fights, and you crying about cats not giving Floyd no dap isn't gonna change a thing. We saw guys like Sugar Ray, and even Roy Jones, Bernard Hopkins, who anybody will tell you how I used to rip Hopkins, fight threats walking out the door, so if you want people to celebrate Floyd like that, go start an all Floyd forum, where all you like minded guys can chop it up all day.