If Alvarez KOd Kirkland in RD1 After Bell, Disqualified?

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  • Lester Tutor
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    #1

    If Alvarez KOd Kirkland in RD1 After Bell, Disqualified?

    We've seen far too many sequences carry over a sec. when the bell rings...

    Let's get this straight. It's not Uzcategui's fault Dirrell got caught at the end of the sequence. There's so much momentum going on this isn't the same as a RJJ Griffin.

    I think the revised ruling should be a NC.

    And the fact that the Dirrell team behaved as such seems a bit suspect. Clear accidental foul, there's no reason to attack the other unless a plot is to show viewers that they were treated sooo unfairly that the retaliation was justified.

    Gary Russell Jr. was the shiner on Showtime but this network took a loss. Haymon should discipline this we all know Kellerman would cringe seeing what had happened #Butler on ESPN..

    Winners were Box Nation and HBO.
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    no need for a rule change. the rules say it should be a NC or a dirrell loss if he can continue and refuses(which is what happened)

    problem is its up to the refs discretion and of course the ref is goign to favor the a-side guy and say it was a foul that was commited on purpose which is absurb as it was landed a split second after the bell rang and you can still hear the bell ringing as dirrell is falling

    we need people that arent corrupt but when corruption is such a big part of boxing how is this possible?

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    • Enzo Mc is SHIT
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      NC feels right to me. It didn't look intentional but it was a clear foul.

      I don't know if Dirrell was acting or not. It looked to me like the moment the referee said "doctor", he slumped to the floor and got the win. Only Dirrell knows if he was truly hurt or not.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mirko Troll Cop
        We've seen far too many sequences carry over a sec. when the bell rings...

        Let's get this straight. It's not Uzcategui's fault Dirrell got caught at the end of the sequence. There's so much momentum going on this isn't the same as a RJJ Griffin.

        I think the revised ruling should be a NC.

        And the fact that the Dirrell team behaved as such seems a bit suspect. Clear accidental foul, there's no reason to attack the other unless a plot is to show viewers that they were treated sooo unfairly that the retaliation was justified.

        Gary Russell Jr. was the shiner on Showtime but this network took a loss. Haymon should discipline this we all know Kellerman would cringe seeing what had happened #Butler on ESPN..

        Winners were Box Nation and HBO.
        I've seen several times where a punch lands just after the bell, and all they get is a warning from the ref.
        Here if I heard correctly (I have to see the replay) wasn't Dirrell's team yelling at him to stay down? Could have been that bad if he's being told to stay down.

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          At worst the ref should of taken away a point and if dirrell couldn't continue then go to the scorecards I'm also fine making it a NC. It was not blatant or late IMO. He was in the middle of a combination when the bell rang.

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            #6
            Originally posted by bigdunny1
            At worst the ref should of taken away a point and if dirrell couldn't continue then go to the scorecards I'm also fine making it a NC. It was not blatant or late IMO. He was in the middle of a combination when the bell rang.
            I would say 2 points. Give Dirrell the complete 5 min and then decide if Dirrell could continue. Assume Dirrell knew he was winning the fight along with point deductions across. I wouldn'T mind if Dirrell was on the backfoot afterwards.

            As others said, only Dirrell knows if he was hurt that he couldn'T continue.

            I guess in actuality, I expected more from the Showtime crew. Such a combination is almost impossible to stop and react after the bell is lit. Of course a boxer is EXPECTED to know 10 seconds, it's just that it was combination. Imo, the reft should jumped in while he counted to zero.

            Take the DeGale vs Jack bout, regardless of the position in the canvas, Arthur Mercante makes it an initiative to jump in. All it means is that Mercante is a better ref, like Jon Schorle.

            I would've expected Paulie or Bernstein to defend Uzcategui. lol. Dude was on a roll. I gotta admit, that 4 landing jab on Dirrell's face on the corner previously was pretty dope! lol

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              Watching it live it looked like the punch was really late. After seeing the replays you see that it was a series of punches and more momentum than anything. You have to give the ref the benefit of the doubt but he let Direll off the hook by telling him he was Disqualifying Uzcategui. Neither boxer is at fault but Direll's team crossed the line. I actually think his brother should be suspended for the altercation outside the ring. You couid see him throwing an "official" to the ground.

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                #8
                Originally posted by daggum
                no need for a rule change. the rules say it should be a NC or a dirrell loss if he can continue and refuses(which is what happened)

                problem is its up to the refs discretion and of course the ref is goign to favor the a-side guy and say it was a foul that was commited on purpose which is absurb as it was landed a split second after the bell rang and you can still hear the bell ringing as dirrell is falling

                we need people that arent corrupt but when corruption is such a big part of boxing how is this possible?
                You have to admit daggum "referees discretion" is a great loophole/weapon for the corrupt.

                Those two words grant a referee the licence to steal fighters dreams away from them.

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                • Connor MacLeod
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by harwri008
                  Watching it live it looked like the punch was really late. After seeing the replays you see that it was a series of punches and more momentum than anything. You have to give the ref the benefit of the doubt but he let Direll off the hook by telling him he was Disqualifying Uzcategui. Neither boxer is at fault but Direll's team crossed the line. I actually think his brother should be suspended for the altercation outside the ring. You couid see him throwing an "official" to the ground.
                  Are you some sort of ******? Honest question.
                  Why would anyone in their right fucking mind ever give any ref the "benefit of the doubt"

                  And If we are being specific to this fight most people could see Bill Clancy was clearly against Jose as soon as the fight started.
                  Last edited by Connor MacLeod; 05-21-2017, 11:14 AM.

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                  • HarvardBlue
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Connor MacLeod
                    Are you some sort of ******? Honest question.
                    Why would anyone in their right fucking mind ever give any ref the "benefit of the doubt"

                    And If we are being specific to this fight most people could see Bill Clancy was clearly against Jose as soon as the fight started.
                    Unlike you I'll assume you're not ******ed since you were able to get on some sort of computer device to type one of the dumbest posts I've seen on this on site. And that's saying a lot considered some of the ****** crap I see on here on a daily basis. You're saying not a single ref in boxing should ever get the benefit of the doubt. If that's the case why have a referee? While we're at it just get of the rid of the gloves, the ring, and take the fights to back alleys so we can "keep the sport clean." You probably created an account just so you can come on here and post this BS. You know what, I take it back, maybe you are ******ed. Stay away from sharp objects since you can't be trusted not to harm yourself.

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