Age Of Opponents / When Clash With GGG / Since Ouma

[Boxing Goat]

The problem is people are focusing on Gennady's age from the table. It has nothing to do with his age. I believe Gennady's IQ can hold its own.

My point is, Gennady has felt the power from all those listed at their respected age. If we lined em up on a heavy bag at their respected ages to Nelo. What's the difference in power? If people think Nelo don't got snap then...

Canelo has plenty of snap on his punches but that will not win him the GGG fight. Everyone knows that. It's going to take movement and the way he handles Gennady's pressure.

If you would have asked me prior to their last two bouts who would win it would have been a blowout for GGG but now I don't feel that way because GGG looks like his reflexes have wavered a bit and Canelo seems to have matured in his body more and has showed to have evolved in his boxing IQ.

To me, it's an even fight now.

[Lester Tutor]

Canelo has plenty of snap on his punches but that will not win him the GGG fight. Everyone knows that. It's going to take movement and the way he handles Gennady's pressure.

If you would have asked me prior to their last two bouts who would win it would have been a blowout for GGG but now I don't feel that way because GGG looks like his reflexes have wavered a bit and Canelo seems to have matured in his body more and has showed to have evolved in his boxing IQ.

To me, it's an even fight now.

Alvarez mentioned his career goals publicly, to industry, before facing Cotto, that he would move to 160 in 1-2 years and would love to face Gennady. He literally said that. You said, "2 years ago," Golovkin was never going to budge from 160 even though his camp plagued capacity and false expectations that 154-168 was easy weight to make.

Floyd was retired. Would Froch or Chavez Jr., in the same year, 2015, had made more financial sense than Alvarez at 155? What if Cotto vs Alvarez never happened? How does K2 justify saying in 2015 that 168 against Froch or Chavez Jr. made financial sense while at the same time claiming that 154 was easy or that they'd love to fight a Floyd at 154 or pretend that Alvarez wouldn't bring great PPV even had he not beat Cotto or had the Lineal? What did Chavez Jr. have in 2015 that they wanted that fight at 168?

So to say "2 years ago" meaning Q4 2015? That slot wasnt even available and Alvarez wasnt on K2s narrative before he beat Cotto.

These facts play a difference. I agree with you, lets focus on 160 performance, not 155 which Gennady said "Canelo too big this a disrespect to boxing" but wanting Floyd as a "dream fight" to now Gennady saying "Fight With Canelo is a dream fight."

[The Time]

Ok I've edited it.

The thing is, Golovkin has felt the power of all his opposition at respected age. Take a look at Ouma (Southpaw), Jacobs (both), Brook, to Monroe Jr... those 4 guys at similar ages were able to clip GGG several times, or catch him when he made defensive flaws.

I have Alvarez understanding the range for the widely talked about jab of Golovkin, which btw, when he fought Ouma - that jab style really wasn't there...Southpaws!

I see Alvarez doing many 2 punch sequences on Golovkin when he covers up even when Gennady comes forward.

It's going to be really interesting how Gennady handles that power covering up.

Gotcha,

While I do believe Canelo has a better skill set. Golovkin, though slower has a good skillset himself, good ring IQ. Canelo has good ring IQ as well.

Canelo has power, but his punching power is not big power or devestating. Consider that he couldn't knock out Matthew Hatton, took him 12 rounds to knock out Ryan Rhodes, he couldn't knock out an old Shane Mosley, referee stopped his fight against Angulo, yes Angulo was a walking weight drained punching bag and got beat up similar to Chavez Jr., but he was pissed off at the referee when they stopped the fight, he wasn't out on his feet or wobbly and Canelo couldn't knock out smaller Cotto and he couldn't knock out that walking punching bag weight drained zombie Chavez Jr.

Canelo's last 3 fights were Khan, Smith and weight drained Chavez Jr. This is going to be Canelo's first legitimate Middleweight that he is fighting. And props to Canelo for choosing Golovkin as his first real legit Middleweight.

Canelo can win, but it's going to be more by his ring smarts and skill, not his power. If Canelo wins it won't be by knockout, it will be by decision.




Since the Ouma fight Triple G has gotten better. When was it that Abel became his trainer, 2010 or 2011 I think. He's learned from that time of course. Jacobs is a top shelf Middleweight, Monroe Jr had some sucess sure, Ouma and Brook as well, they had some success. They all lost though. I can say the same of Canelo, Trout had success against him, Kirkland had success against Canelo, he has a glass jaw though, but he had success before he got his glass jaw broke. Liam Smith had success against Canelo at certain points of their fight. So we can say the same for Canelo as far as some fighters being able to do certain things against him as well.

That jab of Golovkin is going to cause problems for Canelo. I'm pretty sure he's going to hook off the jab and sometimes hook instead of jab to keep Canelo guessing, the right hand will come in too. There will be feints by both, both will go to the body. It's going to be a chess match. But when both guys commit to their punches, they will commit with authority.

Canelo is going to pose problems for triple G with his hand speed, combo punching, ring iq, punch selection, etc...

They both are going to cause each other problems.

It is a close fight and hard to know the exact outcome because there are lots of different intangibles of how this fight can go. Lots of questions in this fight.

Vegas has it right at 2-1

It's a fight where a possibilty of different things can happen and different scenarios that are possibilities as well. That's why it's so intriguing. Who knows exactly what is going to happen.

My prediction on this fight is I have no prediction.

[The Time]

Canelo has plenty of snap on his punches but that will not win him the GGG fight. Everyone knows that. It's going to take movement and the way he handles Gennady's pressure.

If you would have asked me prior to their last two bouts who would win it would have been a blowout for GGG but now I don't feel that way because GGG looks like his reflexes have wavered a bit and Canelo seems to have matured in his body more and has showed to have evolved in his boxing IQ.

To me, it's an even fight now.

Great post. Very similar to my sentiments about the Golovkin-Canelo fight. Good stuff sir.

[Lester Tutor]

Ouma was the reason why Gennady don't like crafty Southpaws because he can't play his jab. Again, the Lee bout (never reschedules, especially when he had the WBO), Korobov, Saunders... all Southies

The most logical way to also get an Alvarez fight since GGG has had a spotlight since the Alvarez vs Lara happened, would've been to have accepted Lara at 160. This would put pressure on GBP with any script K2 could plat with, such as Sanchez making press, "The Way We Handled Lara A Lot Faster In Which Alvarez Couldn't Proves We Will Finish Canelo Too In 6-7 Rounds."

But of course they wouldn't do that which is why they chose Monroe Jr. over Lara when asked who was more popular. Golovkin ain't sharp with his jab against crafty Southpaws. Thats a fact

[kafkod]

38 - Ishida
34 - Rubio
33 - Geale
33 - Adama
32 - Simon
32 - Murray
31 - Macklin
31 - Ouma
30 - Jacobs
30 - Brook
28 - Monroe Jr.
28 - Stevens
28 - Proksa
28 - Fuchigami
27 - Rosado
27 - Alvarez
26 - Lemieux
26 - Wade

Compare to Current 147 Fighters

38 - Pacquiao
33 - Bradley
33 - Peterson
31 - Brook
29 - Garcia
29 - Porter
28 - Thurman
28 - Vargas
27 - Spence Jr.
27 - Broner

Even by your standards, this is a very strange post. Why are you comparing the ages of GGG's opponents to those of current WWs?

What point are you trying to make with that?

[The Time]

Try being more objective and neutral. I know there's fan boys on this forum. For me, regardless of whether I root for a certain fighter or not I'm always realistic in my assessments and my view points.

Certain people will only express there assessments with what they want to see and not with what is realistic or with being objective and neutral. Not saying that you are like that, even though Troll is part of your user name, Lol. I haven't been on this forum long enough to know. But I obviously see it from a lot of people on here.

Just wish more people were less emotional and biased and more realistic and honest.

I used to be that way previously as a boxing fan. But as the years went on and I grew as an astute mature boxing fan. I'm more realistic and honest about things now. It's way better this way. Trust


With that being said, Good Day sir.

[Mukuro]

Not sure what the point is that your making.

I have that experience in nearly every thread this guy makes.

[Mukuro]

Troll Cop, I'm gonna need you to hand in your badge and gun.

[Lester Tutor]

Even by your standards, this is a very strange post. Why are you comparing the ages of GGG's opponents to those of current WWs?

What point are you trying to make with that?

Ah I can see that's why it's confusing...

The reason I listed those Welterweights was to show age variance and calbre for those stars listed. What has Garcia done? What has Broner done? Bradley? Thurman? Look at their ages and look at the pool of 147. So now compare these fighters to the opposition from Golovkin. Who is the Geale from 147? Who is the Jacobs of 147?

The thing is, Alvarez's age is close to the other stars at 147, and so take his resume for experience. Golovkin is fighting a young gun star who has prestige just a tad bit north from the new gen at 147.