Are promoters freezing out PBC?

[killakali]

You're lying. Here are your exact words: "FS1 has never paid for boxing."

If you're willing to lie about something so simple and you're willing to continue to lie even after being busted, what else are you lying about?




I don't have to prove a negative. You're claiming Bounce is a time buy. Prove it. I know that it's not. You have no idea if it is. There's no signed agreement between PBC & Bounce, so good luck proving what the private arrangement is.




TNT is not the parent company of HBO. CBS is the parent company of Showtime. When CBS pays to have boxing on CBS, it doesn't matter to Haymon whether CBS pays directly or if CBS increases Showtime's budget so they can pay Haymon. Either way, Haymon was not being paid for live prime time shows on CBS until PBC came along.

you were lying: http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...g-to-bounce-tv Whoops here is an excerpt:

Haymon, however, was not done, and not by a long shot. On Monday the next deal was announced. He has purchased time on Bounce TV, a network he helped found in 2011 that caters to an African-American audience, to televise monthly cards beginning in July.

Bounce TV, which is available on many cable systems but also free over the air in many markets, announced the agreement as a multi-year deal for a series called “Premier Boxing Champions: The Next Round.” The two-hour live shows will feature prospects from Haymon’s expansive stable of more than 180 fighters.

what did it say, that he PURCHASED TIME on Bounce. So what else are you lying about? Prove now it isn't a time buy when I just proved it is. You keep sonning yourself.

Also don't forget way before PBC existed Showtime bought a Leo Santa Cruz fight and had it shown on CBS so lets not go overboard like Haymon did someone thing with PBC that hadn't already been done.

[killakali]

Hi, forgive the newbie question, man, but can u explain please what that means? What is "Time share"? And why does this only apply to some networks? Im trying to Learn how all this works....

pbc paid for the time slot and then the idea was to sell commercials to help cover the cost of purses, time slot, etc along with what other sponsors they had and site fee etc

[OnePunch]

NL & AL merged to create MLB just as NFL & AFL merged and NBA & ABA merged.

I agree boxing would benefit from a unified league, which is what Al Haymon is attempting to pull off. But when someone actually tries to create a better future for the sport, you see how many come out of the woodwork to root against him.

Because maybe, just maybe, some people dont see a monopoly as being a "better future for the sport". (I know, I know, the nerve of some people to actually have a different viewpoint than you do)

Boxing has problems, no doubt, but a monopoly isnt the answer. And broadcast TV isnt the answer either, at least for anything higher than an ESPN2 level show. You cannot guarantee advertising revenue for an event that could be over in 90 seconds. It doesnt work. Football, basketball, hockey, baseball, NASCAR, PGA golf, they ALL can guarantee multiple hours of content per event. Boxing cant. And national big-dollar advertisers are not going to pay premium dollars for spots when the main event could be over in 1 round and then their spots are only seen by the 5% of the people who didnt change the channel after the fight......

[original zero]

Haymon, however, was not done, and not by a long shot. On Monday the next deal was announced. He has purchased time on Bounce TV, a network he helped found in 2011 that caters to an African-American audience, to televise monthly cards beginning in July.

Okay, so by changing the subject, are you now admitting that you lied about FS1 never paying for boxing? And then lied about what you said to cover up your previous lie? Now that we've confirmed that you're a liar, I will be happy to address your false accusation.

Here is Bounce's announcement that Rafael based his story on:

http://www.bouncetv.com/bounce-tv-to...champions-pbc/

NOWHERE does it say that Haymon purchased the time. That's an assumption Rafael made because Haymon refused to speak to him. Rafael's assumption was wrong. There is absolutely no evidence that it's a time buy and Rafael had nothing to support his claim. Maybe you'll slowly learn how inaccurate the boxing "media" often is. I've worked on press row with most of these guys and they are very easily fooled. It's embarrassing.

Here is what Bounce actually said when asked about their programming:

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/8...iginets/page/3

Can you tell me how much you are spending on this, what your production costs are?

I can tell you that we have invested millions of dollars in originals. This season, we will have six original series, includes scripted sitcoms, our first drama, live sports with [Al Haymon's] Premier Boxing Champions. Not so not bad for a four-year-old network.

[original zero]

Because maybe, just maybe, some people dont see a monopoly as being a "better future for the sport". (I know, I know, the nerve of some people to actually have a different viewpoint than you do)

You can have whatever viewpoint you want. The problem is that the facts rarely support your premise. You have a preconceived notion and then try to mold the information you encounter to support it. I simply analyze the information and then base my view on the available facts. I have no existing bias in any direction. You have an obsessive and deranged dislike of Al Haymon and to you, the facts are irrelevant.

Every sport benefits from monopoly because the public wants the best to face the best and a monopoly is the only way to ensure that. How many baseball fans do you know that wish the National League and American League would stop having their champions face each other in the World Series? How many football fans do you know that wish the National Conference and the American Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the Super Bowl? How many basketball fans do you know what wish the Western Conference and Eastern Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the NBA Finals?

Boxing has problems, no doubt, but a monopoly isnt the answer. And broadcast TV isnt the answer either, at least for anything higher than an ESPN2 level show. You cannot guarantee advertising revenue for an event that could be over in 90 seconds. It doesnt work. Football, basketball, hockey, baseball, NASCAR, PGA golf, they ALL can guarantee multiple hours of content per event. Boxing cant. And national big-dollar advertisers are not going to pay premium dollars for spots when the main event could be over in 1 round and then their spots are only seen by the 5% of the people who didnt change the channel after the fight......

A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds than a UFC main event. A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds now than it was back when boxing dominated network TV.

Furthermore, we know the Kentucky Derby is only going to last two minutes. Your argument simply doesn't make any sense. A Klitschko fight could end in 90 seconds and it doesn't stop network TV in Germany from shelling out huge money for his fights. Let's face it, the facts are irrelevant to you. You hate Al Haymon and that's the only thing that matters. You couldn't care less about what is best for the sport. You only care about what is worst for Al Haymon. You have a sickness. Plain and simple.

Tin Foil Terry at his finest.

[OnePunch]

You can have whatever viewpoint you want. The problem is that the facts rarely support your premise. You have a preconceived notion and then try to mold the information you encounter to support it. I simply analyze the information and then base my view on the available facts. I have no existing bias in any direction. You have an obsessive and deranged dislike of Al Haymon and to you, the facts are irrelevant.

Every sport benefits from monopoly because the public wants the best to face the best and a monopoly is the only way to ensure that. How many baseball fans do you know that wish the National League and American League would stop having their champions face each other in the World Series? How many football fans do you know that wish the National Conference and the American Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the Super Bowl? How many basketball fans do you know what wish the Western Conference and Eastern Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the NBA Finals?




A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds than a UFC main event. A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds now than it was back when boxing dominated network TV.

Furthermore, we know the Kentucky Derby is only going to last two minutes. Your argument simply doesn't make any sense. A Klitschko fight could end in 90 seconds and it doesn't stop network TV in Germany from shelling out huge money for his fights. Let's face it, the facts are irrelevant to you. You hate Al Haymon and that's the only thing that matters. You couldn't care less about what is best for the sport. You only care about what is worst for Al Haymon. You have a sickness. Plain and simple.

Tin Foil Terry at his finest.

UFC puts all their premium events on PPV dip****. Its their low-end "ESPN2 type" level stuff that makes it to broadcast tv. And the Kentucky Derby? Really? you are comparing a once-a-year event to weekly or monthly boxing events? LOL. The Haymon Defense League is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

And still with the childish insults. I had a feeling you wouldnt be able to reply without acting like a butthurt 13 year old girl, and you didnt disappoint.

[HAMMER77777]

NL & AL merged to create MLB just as NFL & AFL merged and NBA & ABA merged.

I agree boxing would benefit from a unified league, which is what Al Haymon is attempting to pull off. But when someone actually tries to create a better future for the sport, you see how many come out of the woodwork to root against him.

Oh I didnt realize that. I thought NL, AL were distinct leagues, but both part of MLB. My bad on that. Im glad we're working on getting that happening in Boxing, slowly but surely.

[HAMMER77777]

You can have whatever viewpoint you want. The problem is that the facts rarely support your premise. You have a preconceived notion and then try to mold the information you encounter to support it. I simply analyze the information and then base my view on the available facts. I have no existing bias in any direction. You have an obsessive and deranged dislike of Al Haymon and to you, the facts are irrelevant.

Every sport benefits from monopoly because the public wants the best to face the best and a monopoly is the only way to ensure that. How many baseball fans do you know that wish the National League and American League would stop having their champions face each other in the World Series? How many football fans do you know that wish the National Conference and the American Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the Super Bowl? How many basketball fans do you know what wish the Western Conference and Eastern Conference would stop having their champions face each other in the NBA Finals?




A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds than a UFC main event. A boxing main event is no more likely to end in 90 seconds now than it was back when boxing dominated network TV.

Furthermore, we know the Kentucky Derby is only going to last two minutes. Your argument simply doesn't make any sense. A Klitschko fight could end in 90 seconds and it doesn't stop network TV in Germany from shelling out huge money for his fights. Let's face it, the facts are irrelevant to you. You hate Al Haymon and that's the only thing that matters. You couldn't care less about what is best for the sport. You only care about what is worst for Al Haymon. You have a sickness. Plain and simple.

Tin Foil Terry at his finest.

^This X 100! We need the best to be REQUIRED to Fight the best, much like MLB, NFL, etc.. 1 League. Lets all get together on this. And boradcast TV would be great, but even if it must be on HBO/SHO, thats fine, as long as we get the matchups we want. Competitive Fights.

[HAMMER77777]

Because maybe, just maybe, some people dont see a monopoly as being a "better future for the sport". (I know, I know, the nerve of some people to actually have a different viewpoint than you do)

Boxing has problems, no doubt, but a monopoly isnt the answer. And broadcast TV isnt the answer either, at least for anything higher than an ESPN2 level show. You cannot guarantee advertising revenue for an event that could be over in 90 seconds. It doesnt work. Football, basketball, hockey, baseball, NASCAR, PGA golf, they ALL can guarantee multiple hours of content per event. Boxing cant. And national big-dollar advertisers are not going to pay premium dollars for spots when the main event could be over in 1 round and then their spots are only seen by the 5% of the people who didnt change the channel after the fight......

It actually IS the answer.
In MLB, NFL, the best teams play each other. The Yankees dont go form their own league separately from the Red Sox. In tennis, all the top players enter the same tournament. You dont have Roger Federer refusing to play against Rafael Nadal, because he has a different agent (or something silly like that).

[original zero]

UFC puts all their premium events on PPV dip****. Its their low-end "ESPN2 type" level stuff that makes it to broadcast tv.

Fox pays HUGE money for those UFC events and the asking price for those events is about to go up exponentially. Bellator has almost always put their premium events on Spike. All of which have plenty of sponsors despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. You simply have no idea what you're talking about and the facts very clearly show who the "dip****" is. You. Tin Foil Terry.

And the Kentucky Derby? Really? you are comparing a once-a-year event to weekly or monthly boxing events? LOL. The Haymon Defense League is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.

Were you under the impression the Kentucky Derby is the only race with advertising?

Face it, your entire position is nonsense. Boxing dominated network TV for decades despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Huge money is spent by TV networks for MMA despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Networks around the world pay big money for boxing despite the possibility of 90 second knockouts. Plenty of races and athletic events generate TV sponsorship despite the short length of the athletic contest itself. Etc etc.

Stop the madness.