Are promoters freezing out PBC?

[Motorcity Cobra]

I don't recall HBO ever banning any promoter.

Schaefer had the perception of being mistreated by HBO (much like Arum having issues occasionally with them, and who doesn't?) It culminated with Richard taking all GBP fighters (now Haymon's) with him to Showtime.

In other words, Schaefer banned PBC fighters with HBO.

Bruh. Don't be dumb. I'm not about to spend this thread talking to people trying to rewrite history. Herschman is on record saying he banned Haymon fighters.

• He banned all Al Haymon-advised and managed fighters from the network due to massive philosophical differences in a controversial move.
http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/i...bo-great-place

At HBO, Hershman ran its respected boxing programming during a difficult period in the sport. In 2013, Floyd Mayweather, who developed into a pay per view star with HBO, defected to Showtime. That same year Hershman, reacting to a rash of fighters managed by shadowy advisor Al Haymon, banned Haymon fighters, most of whom were promoted by Golden Boy Promotions, from the network.
https://www.si.com/boxing/2015/10/30...rshman-resigns

Hershman famously banned Golden Boy Promotions fighters from HBO because of its close affiliation with PBC creator Al Haymon. Nelson told Yahoo Sports on Tuesday he is open to working with all promoters.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...150406293.html

This is not a discussion up for debate

[Outwest Exp 355]

pbc is as good as dead. haymons experiment failed.

You've been saying that for 2 years yet here they stand.

[Motorcity Cobra]

actually you have it competely backwards. Haymon is happy to use his lower level fighters as cannon fodder on HBO because he doesn't have dates for them.

Haymon doesn't want to risk his A side fighters vs other promoters guys. He likes to keep it all in house unless he can get easy b side opponents. The reason why you dont see guys like Tim Bradley or Jessie Vargas on PBC cards is that besides Showtime PBC almost has no dates or money left so he needs to use whatever precious few dates and money he has left to showcase his own guys.

Why do you think we are almost in June and guys like Mares, coming off a great win, Jermall Charlo, J Rock or Cuellar still haven't fought when they fought over 6 months ago. He has too many guys and showtime only has so many dates. NBC and ESPN are all but gone. Besides the small low budget cards on bounce and fs1 they have a quarterly fox card and thats about it.

You're a special kind of ******ed. Showtime/PBC have put on more cards than HBO. There is no money at HBO. You got it completely backwards. PBC/Showtime schedule dwarfs HBO's in number and quality. This isn't a debate. We can easily count the number of HBO cards and the number of Showtime cards to prove me correct and prove you as a babbling idiot which you are. HBO isn't paying for Vargas or Bradley vs any PBC fighter. Arum has to put his cards on PPV because HBO won't pay for them. What are you babbling about?

[US Dirk Killer]

They put on c level content for the longest time while throwing all their money at it. Then as the years go by, the start making better fights while not throwing nearly as much money around. Now that they're not making as much money, of course everybody isn't gonna come knocking since they're broke.

Now only select fighters are getting activity. Look at the Charlo that knocked out J Rock.... Danny Jacobs didn't fight forever before fighting Mora on a 9 month layoff, Mares still off w/no date, LSC/Frampton still out w/no date.

I could go on and on of people w/no dates. PBC signed all these guys, have them fight each other instead of waiting to match up w/some other promoters. I mean, after all... they did sign a bulk of the talent

[rickJen]

Schaefer made the first move when he took all GBP fighters with him because he was unhappy about not getting the date (Canelo vs Lopez) he wanted.

You cannot ban people who already defected. It's silly.

The so-called HBO ban should be taken as retaliatory measure which simply means you can't come back.

[sicko]

Who Cares PBC have their own thing with Showtime which is doing great why would they care what other promotion are doing when things are going very well with Showtime?

Only the fans are getting hurt when Promoters don't work with each other. Top Rank and GBP not working with each other much either which is hurting the fans

[JRB123]

Diaz is signed to DiBella. He's fighting Crawford. Dibella is Andy Lee's U.S. promoter. He just fought on K2's undercard. What are you talking about?

Didn't know about those other two occasions, fam

[Eff Pandas]

pbc is as good as dead. haymons experiment failed.

People keep saying stuff like this, but I don't think people understand the caliber of power & control Haymon has whatever happens.

If this "regular" TV thing fails & hell maybe your right, maybe it has...maybe "regular" TV isn't even a viable medium for boxing anymore. If he's in restructuring/pivoting mode to a new concept or angle...there is the emerging streaming marketplace that Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, FB & others are competing in now that will buy boxing sooner or later. Or if he's just shopping for new "regular" TV deals that will fit better to what PBC needs to do to garner a consistent audience idk & it doesn't really matter cuz he gots the biggest most influential roster of anyone in the boxing business today.

So get used to Haymon being your boxing boogieman cuz he's gonna be around for a long time.

[Finito2K]

This is a trend I'm noticing. These promoters will use PBC B-side fighters to fight their A-side's but they aren't even sending their B-sides to fight PBC A-side's. There is no reason Linares shouldn't be fighting Garcia. Or Bradley & Vargas should be out this long when they could be fighting PBC welterweights.

It's not even really a secret they're doing it. Luis Ortiz left Golden Boy because they wouldn't let him fight Wilder, that's on record in court.

1. Actually, there is. That's whenever an agreement can't be reached.

In the case of Linares, PBC has to deal directly with his promoters (Teiken and Golden Boy). Why would they even consider handing over promotional rights for B-Side money vs. Garcia?

2. Golden Boy dropped Ortiz after demanded for more money to defend his interim title vs. 41 year old Alexander Ustinov . That was supposed to be the co-feature on the Canelo-Liam Smith.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing...nap-story.html

Ortiz was featured on 3 HBO cards prior to the split and was in line to fight for a vacant title. Ortiz was naive to think Golden Boy would give him more money to fight a 41 year old Ustinov and his bluff was called.

I'm calling bull**** on the supposed court record.

[killakali]

You're a special kind of ******ed. Showtime/PBC have put on more cards than HBO. There is no money at HBO. You got it completely backwards. PBC/Showtime schedule dwarfs HBO's in number and quality. This isn't a debate. We can easily count the number of HBO cards and the number of Showtime cards to prove me correct and prove you as a babbling idiot which you are. HBO isn't paying for Vargas or Bradley vs any PBC fighter. Arum has to put his cards on PPV because HBO won't pay for them. What are you babbling about?

Now we know that you are mentally challenged. You can barely read but lack comprehension skills. Where did I say HBO has more cards than Showtime? I will wait while you get that.

Next time maybe read the post three to four times before responding so you don't sound like such a moron.

If you had better compression skills you would understand that I said that PBC fighters aren't staying very active and dont have enough dates for them because all they have is Showtime and a handful of Fox dates plus their low budget cards on FS1 and Bounce. Those are all facts.

We know you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed but surely you know that PBC has around 200 fighters which is more than Top Rank, GBP, K2, RNS and Main Events combined. Those promoters use HBO as their main vehicle.

They would love to have their fighters fight on PBC channels vs PBC fighters. Arum has tried to get fights like Bradley vs Danny Garcia on PBC platforms but PBC balks at it. Guys like Keith Thurman, Danny Jacobs, Adrien Broner etc are all only fighting once a year and would be lucky to even get two fights in a year. Why would Haymon Have Garcia or Thurman fight Bradley when he has other guys that needs fights and he doesn't have the dates to keep all his fighters happy.

Arum is doing his own ppvs to keep his guys active. Everyone knows HBO doesn't have a big budget. That wasn't part of your original post so I don't why you put it in your response. Again, I realize you don't have the highest IQ but please read this and then read it two more times before you respond so you don't look even dumber than you already look.