"Floyd waited until Manny got old"

[koolkc107]

The fight didn't happen in 09 because Manny didnt want unannounced random blood tests.

He didn't agree to that til 2013 when he happened to be going up against a fighter using his former strength coach.

You can't say it wasn't the same Pac in 2015 without also saying it wasn't the same Floyd either.

And if power is the last thing to go, and reflexes one of the first, who is affected more:

A guy that knocks out people or a guy whose defense is build on making folks miss?

The only thing that would have been different about a fight in 2009 is that Floyd would have stopped Manny.

[MONGOOSE66]

Sounds like another thread with more Excuses. Get over it. He lost. Age had nothing to do with it. His boxing IQ is not near that of Mayweathers.

[DeadLikeMe]

Pacquiao would have made tens (even hundreds) of millions less in his career if he had fought Floyd in '09/'10. Roach and Arum knew this and also knew pretending they wanted to fight Floyd would generate them millions more pretending to want the fight for years. They played their hand brilliantly for 4-5 years before they finally got backed into a corner and had to make the fight.

The fact that one could return to the ring against a guy in his debut to the tune of 2+ mil $100 PPV buys while the still active fighter is fighting a retired point guard in Australia is quite telling. Pac will be Roy Jones 2.0 within five years time.

[Big_L]

But he's still the same as he was before the K.O., right now even.

Nah, not really.

[j.razor]

Nah, not really.

Yes, really...he's still fast, throws combos, has great stamina and still got some pop, I mean not before the PED came up but he still is the same. He always had trouble with boxers...just look what Marquez did to him in all their fights.

[Hatesrats]

Was Alex "Ariza Shakes" Ariza still working w/Manny for the Floyd fight??

[The Big Dunn]

I think DeadLikeMe summed it up perfectly.

Even if you are one of the clowns that blames Manny turning down the fight because of the PED testing request or the unfairness of the no ppv offer, please explain the episode with stitches right before Floyd was slated to go to jail such that Manny went from ready to go in May to suddenly unable to fight until June.

[Kuyukut]

how can fraud jr ages inside the ring?

the only thing he does inside the ring is fucking dance and run like a ballerina. of fraud jr last 8 fights have you seen any of his opponents with a swollen face?

please don't count when he suckered punch ortiz doe!

[Kuyukut]

fraud jr ducked Pacquiao, here's evidence even a fraud jr lover can't refute.

[johnm is...]

how can fraud jr ages inside the ring?

the only thing he does inside the ring is fucking dance and run like a ballerina. of fraud jr last 8 fights have you seen any of his opponents with a swollen face?

please don't count when he suckered punch ortiz doe!

Seems like he'd be easy to beat then, yeah?

Damn shame Manny was out classed by a dancing, running, ballerina.