Why has American boxing declined to it's current pitiful state?

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No Don King type of promoter to connect with a certain demographic that is one of the biggest problems. AJ has Eddie Hearn who himself is still young he is only 37 I think people forget that but Eddie has done a masterful job promoting AJ because he gets it while the Dinosaurs who run boxing in American they just don't get it they want to stick with the Old Way of doing things and hope things get better and it WON'T!

Also Fighters who are just not interesting AT ALL! This feeling of Entitlement from American fighters almost like they SHOULD BE SUPERSTARS without having to put in the work for it we seen that with Broner! WTF are these fighters doing to build up their stardom? Instead Boxers expect people to find them instead of being active in trying to build up a Brand. I'm already seeing AJ more on American TV than I have seen any American Boxer other than Mayweather. This Commercial was ran during the NBA Players:



So to American Fighters stop being jealous of the International Fighters instead turn to your team and asking them "WTF AM I PAYING YOU FOR?" because clearly they're NOT doing their Job but yet they make sure to get their CUT every time you fight. You're being replaced and your job is being Out Source because it is guys from Different Countries who can now do if not BETTER actually and for cheaper!

Wow! talk about buying the hype! one win vs. a old inactive Klitsch and hes it ha? so you havent seen Keith Thurman, DSG, Porter, Crawford, Andre Ward, fighting the best and some becoming lineal? haven't seen Deontay Wilder bring HW boxing to free TV in over a decade?

....I mean nothing? no Robert Easter Jr on PBC? hes a champ you know...I mean...no MIkey Garcia moving up in weight to win another world title....I mean....damn all those euros are doing it better ha? well damn I must be watching the wrong channel...I only seen A.J , I better start paying attention to the Lee Selby's or Lee Haskins of the world...shout out to Ricky Burns!

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Why did america stop producing white boxers? I read somewhere that its irish/italian/***ish communities became too affluent and boxing lost its appeal. Maybe its the same same now for its black communities. Its always been the dirt poor people that has given boxing its best fighters.

[HarvardBlue]

Americans are not as obsessed with sports in general as the rest of the world. There are too many distractions and other attractions to follow.

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Wow! talk about buying the hype! one win vs. a old inactive Klitsch and hes it ha? so you havent seen Keith Thurman, DSG, Porter, Crawford, Andre Ward, fighting the best and some becoming lineal? haven't seen Deontay Wilder bring HW boxing to free TV in over a decade?

....I mean nothing? no Robert Easter Jr on PBC? hes a champ you know...I mean...no MIkey Garcia moving up in weight to win another world title....I mean....damn all those euros are doing it better ha? well damn I must be watching the wrong channel...I only seen A.J , I better start paying attention to the Lee Selby's or Lee Haskins of the world...shout out to Ricky Burns!

You completely missed the point to NO SURPRISE!

The Question was "Why The Decline" the Decline is because after Mayweather a lot of Americas EXPECT to be Crowned the next one up Automatically but that is not happening. Instead you have HBO going another Direction and Focused on International Fighters.

HBO going with Foreign fighters because they're easy to deal with, will fight for less and will be exciting and take chances in the ring. This is what Max Kellerman admitted awhile ago on his Radio Show before he joined ESPN First Take. It is not that I think fighters overseas are "BETTER" this is the mentality of HBO! They feel that they can do just as good pushing the Foreign Fighters than they can Americans and they can keep the Budget Down.

On PBC side of things I Support PBC 100% but I have to be honest I don't think many of the fighters took advantage of being on Network TV. So you on Network TV and you can't become a bigger star? Somebody is not doing their ***ing JOB!

Also American Fans are far more hard to please because American has seen MANY Great fighters so NO they will not be quick to Crown Wilder, Spence Jr and others the next great one until they prove it and even after a big win they will be asked to do MORE! It will always be somebody fans want you to prove yourself against

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You completely missed the point to NO SURPRISE!

The Question was "Why The Decline" the Decline is because after Mayweather a lot of Americas EXPECT to be Crowned the next one up Automatically but that is not happening. Instead you have HBO going another Direction and Focused on International Fighters.

HBO going with Foreign fighters because they're easy to deal with, will fight for less and will be exciting and take chances in the ring. This is what Max Kellerman admitted awhile ago on his Radio Show before he joined ESPN First Take. It is not that I think fighters overseas are "BETTER" this is the mentality of HBO! They feel that they can do just as good pushing the Foreign Fighters than they can Americans and they can keep the Budget Down.

On PBC side of things I Support PBC 100% but I have to be honest I don't think many of the fighters took advantage of being on Network TV. So you on Network TV and you can't become a bigger star? Somebody is not doing their ***ing JOB!

Also American Fans are far more hard to please because American has seen MANY Great fighters so NO they will not be quick to Crown Wilder, Spence Jr and others the next great one until they prove it and even after a big win they will be asked to do MORE! It will always be somebody fans want you to prove yourself against

What part of that did I misunderstood? sounds like you are backtracking after reading my reply...below are excerpts from your initial comment. It appears I shut down your bashing of our fighters...and now you decided to wave the white flag.

I think people forget that but Eddie has done a masterful job promoting AJ because he gets it while the Dinosaurs who run boxing in American they just don't get it they want to stick with the Old Way of doing things and hope things get better and it WON'T!

Also Fighters who are just not interesting AT ALL! This feeling of Entitlement from American fighters almost like they SHOULD BE SUPERSTARS without having to put in the work for it we seen that with Broner! WTF are these fighters doing to build up their stardom?

So to American Fighters stop being jealous of the International Fighters instead turn to your team and asking them "WTF AM I PAYING YOU FOR?" because clearly they're NOT doing their Job

[Cutthroat]

This is not a valid argument, it is not valid now and it has never been valid. You talk as if MMA is all encompassing, it isn't. It registers a handful of good PPVs but that's it. There are no MMA fighters that are part of the collective American consciousness like Paqcuiao, Mayweather, Oscar, Tyson, Holyfield et al have been in recent history. McG might be a star but he is nowhere near that level .

Boxing died when it switched from cable to PPV, the masses were exposed to the NBA/NFL/Baseball etc. which absolutely exploded around the 1980's. The average NBA salary was just $35,000 in 1970, fast forward 20 years later the average salary was $800,000. Today the average salary is $4,600,000 in the NBA.

It's not a coincidence Wilder, a former football/basketball player is America's HW champ. Even Andre Ward was a football player in high school.

Holyfield was another former football player that found boxing at his local YMCA. James Toney, football, Shawn Porter football etc.

Wilder would be just another college flame out if he played football, instead he's the champ.

[DeadLikeMe]

We'll never get over Floyd schooling Manny: The Thread.

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What part of that did I misunderstood? sounds like you are backtracking after reading my reply...below are excerpts from your initial comment. It appears I shut down your bashing of our fighters...and now you decided to wave the white flag.

What are you shutting down and what exactly am I backing away from? It is the prospect of many boxing media people and fans. Again the question was "Why has American boxing declined to it's current pitiful state?"

Well I gave reasons why many feel Boxing in America has declined, do I agree with all of it of course not but I'm not Deaf or Blind I see what people say and post and this is the prospective of many:

"So to American Fighters stop being jealous of the International Fighters instead turn to your team and asking them "WTF AM I PAYING YOU FOR?" because clearly they're NOT doing their Job but yet they make sure to get their CUT every time you fight. You're being replaced and your job is being Out Source because it is guys from Different Countries who can now do if not BETTER actually and for cheaper!"

That being said I call it like I see and I could give a *** about your feelings or anybody else I post how I feel and not WTF people want to hear. I feel like yes American Fighters can do a far better job at Self promotion than what they're doing currently absolutely. Broner does a masterful job as Self promotion he just doesn't back it up in the ring sometimes but if Broner had the discipline and more skills in the ring to back up the Bravado he would probably be the biggest star in boxing because he gets it. Broner did his own series on youtube, he align himself with the Hip Hop Culture so he is able to get people to WATCH HIM anytime he wants. So no I'm not backing down from anything and sorry you're not shutting anything down because the numbers don't lie

You seeing others become bigger stars in America faster than Americans somebody have to take blame for that! In Some cases it is the fighters themselves in other cases it is their team they have around them who don't have the connections to make their fighter a bigger star.

Where is the bashing in Anything I posted, I'm American and want to see the Americans do well but at the same time I'm not going to pretend like everything is OK for this forum. You can to impress the trolling idiots on this forum I guess but I won't. American Boxing needs a SHAKE UP! I would like to see an American Bad Ass like a Tyson type who go out and take people head off. Wilder could be that guy maybe but he needs the big fights.

This goes back to promotion again, Eddie Hearn making the Investment and opening the check book and overpaid Charles Martin to get him to go fight Joshua. That investment need to be made for Wilder. Nobody coming for a few 100K Put the money up and you will be able to get ANYBODY to come fight Wilder!

[CubanGuyNYC]

I think some valid points have been brought up regarding other sports, but I'll take it a couple of steps further. Kids in the US just don't care about boxing the way they used to, in great part because they're not exposed to it enough. Back in the fifties and sixties, boxing was huge on regular TV in the States. It was a weekly thing at one point. When I was growing up in the seventies and eighties, I watched many championship fights on free TV, some of them classics. The few fights that you had to pay for, such as Leonard-Duran, were rebroadcast on regular TV a few weeks later. Everyone got to watch those fights. The exposure was there. Now you have to have a cable subscription just to watch a rebroadcast. And who's watching a rebroadcast when there's so much programming calling out for your attention? Back in the day, there were only a handful of channels to choose from. Boxing was in your face.

Another thing: boxing has always been, and will always be, a poor man's sport. You need hunger to drive you to train your heart out and take regular physical beatings. I can't speak for other countries, but I do know most aren't anywhere near the US standard of living. "Poor" in the US isn't poor like most of the rest of the world knows it. You've got ****** kids in the States running around in expensive sneakers, watching TV on high definition sets, playing games on Xbox and PlayStations and going online on their own computers. I'm not saying this is the norm, but poor kids in most other places would consider this pretty well off. Someone with these comforts would not be considered poor by any stretch. Yet, in the US, it's not uncommon.

[hhs661]

It's a long but uncomplicated reason as to why. Boxing in this country is basically them giving you what it gives you and that's that. A robbery, bad judging, unpopular decision or uninteresting fight. There'll be an outcry for a while, but boxing rolls with the punches and doesn't do much of anything to change that. Other sports are doing things to try and prevent human error as much as possible. Boxing says, "Fúck you. Don't like it, then biţch and moan, but we ain't going nowhere." Fans, fighters, promoters and even the boxing and sports media accept it.

Every other major sport gives its teams and players a schedule. You play on this date, prepare on these days and show up on gameday. Barring any injuries, suspensions or rest, these games or matches are usually played at full strength. Boxing is another story.

This is a sport that should be in its own stratosphere. A true blue collar and rags to riches story with almost every participant. A sport that fans should relate to goes by the wayside. This is a sport that when it comes to even making a fight there are negotiations, greed, ego, pride, cowardice and unwillingness to even entertain a fight before we are given an unsurprising, yet common decision that people will shrug off eventually because nothing will be done about it anyway.

This is why boxing isn't popular. It's not MMA or any other major sport. It's because this sport is set in its ways and doesn't seem to care about what the public eye and consumer seem to think. There's not much progress with this sport in correcting the black eye it's given itself