The biggest fight for Top Rank this year?

[Canelo and GGG]

How many promoters even do regular 200k+ PPV events? Its pretty much Canelo (GBP) & Manny (TR) in the US.

Everyone else is trying to hit the lottery on a PPV when they do them. And all these other groups that aren't doing PPV's right now aren't "in trouble" necessarily. And if they are in trouble the problem is deeper than being able to throw a PPV together.

TR is fine. I'm more worried for TR's future after Bob dies cuz Bob Jr seems like a solid bet not to be able to handle the gig by himself.

They have nothing big ,they can put on decent events and get profit ,but thats it

[Eff Pandas]

Pacquiao vs Crawford can't possibly be a big fight. Terence would stink up the place. Boxing is bidzness doe. There's no money in this fight.

Yea tend to agree. I like the fight, don't get me wrong, but its definitely not some PPV cash out type fight.

They'd do a decent job of making it bigger if Crawford would move the f#ck up already & fight some kinda name guy at 147. He's had a couple PBC guys thrown at him now so I don't see why he couldn't get a guy like for example Porter (Porter seems down for anyone, anywhere, anytime) & if Crawford beats him that makes Manny vs Crawford bigger. And there are other guys out there besides Porter that you could in theory have him fight besides his bf Tim Bradley.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Yea tend to agree. I like the fight, don't get me wrong, but its definitely not some PPV cash out type fight.

They'd do a decent job of making it bigger if Crawford would move the f#ck up already & fight some kinda name guy at 147. He's had a couple PBC guys thrown at him now so I don't see why he couldn't get a guy like for example Porter (Porter seems down for anyone, anywhere, anytime) & if Crawford beats him that makes Manny vs Crawford bigger. And there are other guys out there besides Porter that you could in theory have him fight besides his bf Tim Bradley.

Move up and fight who, Jessie Vargas? If Bob ain't letting Bradley fight PBC he sure as hell ain't about to let Crawford. The only way Crawford would fight one of those guys would be on PPV and Crawford isn't big enough for PPV and Bob ain't risking a PPV money loss if he don't have options on the other fighter. HBO ain't paying for the fight and Bob ain't letting him fight on PBC

[Eff Pandas]

They have nothing big ,they can put on decent events and get profit ,but thats it

But how many promotions are doing bigger things? I mean if TR sucks so bad then boxing is legit sinking into the ocean.

TR is one of the top promotions in the game today, like it or not, like Arum or not.

Like I said Arum is a complete a$$clown in my eyes, but he's an exceptional boxing promoter that can make lemonade outta lemons like few others & he has one of the least lemon-y rosters in the sport right now. He'd have to be the Adrien Broner of boxing promoters over the next couple years to f#ck sh^t up with his roster.

[Eff Pandas]

Move up and fight who, Jessie Vargas?

I just said Shawn Porter brother. Porter would rematch Usyk at CW to give Usyk a chance to avenge his amateur L if the opportunity presented itself.

Crawford's has had 2 PBC guys as of late (Molina & Diaz next). I don't think the pipeline between Arum & Haymon is clogged up anymore if it was at all outside of Arum being a b^tch & trying to sue Haymon.

PBC's 147 roster is packed with guys that enhance Crawford's rep potentially to make a fight with Manny more noteworthy for the PPV public.

[Canelo and GGG]

But how many promotions are doing bigger things? I mean if TR sucks so bad then boxing is legit sinking into the ocean.

TR is one of the top promotions in the game today, like it or not, like Arum or not.

Like I said Arum is a complete a$$clown in my eyes, but he's an exceptional boxing promoter that can make lemonade outta lemons like few others & he has one of the least lemon-y rosters in the sport right now. He'd have to be the Adrien Broner of boxing promoters over the next couple years to f#ck sh^t up with his roster.

I agree with you ,im saying that Atum is no longer big fish after Manny.

Big Fishes:
-GBP
-Matchroom
maybe K2 with GGG and Klit

[Eff Pandas]

I agree with you ,im saying that Atum is no longer big fish after Manny.

Big Fishes:
-GBP
-Matchroom
maybe K2 with GGG and Klit

Well yea I didn't say TR was the #1 best promotion right now. I said they are top 5ish in my first post. And you only mention 3 promotions right now that I wouldn't disagree would be bigger if Manny retired tomorrow so it sounds like you probably agree with my original take.

You just feel like top 5 to top 10 (post-Manny) is a going out of business sale for TR while I see it as a transitional period as TR's younger prospects become contenders & eventually stars cuz there is probably no one in the boxing promotion business who grinds out stars as consistently as Arum does. Almost all of the biggest names in US boxing over the last several decades have worked with Arum or were with Arum from debut to stardom.

GBP & Matchroom are solid, but K2 has its days numbered shorter than TR. TR actually has a roster of cats on the way up still. Idk what K2 has except Uysk who I expect will have as hard if not a harder time transitioning into a PPV guy than GGG did & idk that they got anyone under him who's a shoe in for a PPV future either.

[Canelo and GGG]

Well yea I didn't say TR was the #1 best promotion right now. I said they are top 5ish in my first post. And you only mention 3 promotions right now that I wouldn't disagree would be bigger if Manny retired tomorrow so it sounds like you probably agree with my original take.

You just feel like top 5 to top 10 (post-Manny) is a going out of business sale for TR while I see it as a transitional period as TR's younger prospects become contenders & eventually stars cuz there is probably no one in the boxing promotion business who grinds out stars as consistently as Arum does. Almost all of the biggest names in US boxing over the last several decades have worked with Arum or were with Arum from debut to stardom.

GBP & Matchroom are solid, but K2 has its days numbered shorter than TR. TR actually has a roster of cats on the way up still. Idk what K2 has except Uysk who I expect will have as hard if not a harder time transitioning into a PPV guy than GGG did & idk that they got anyone under him who's a shoe in for a PPV future either.

Yea K2 stable is solid but not marketable ,Maybe Top rank will comeback big as you say ,but days when they Had Manny in theyr Prime and Cotto,Floyd,JMM etc will probably never comeback.

[The Gambler1981]

Kind of the goal at the top of boxing promotion is to hit big when you have the big stars then stay afloat hopefully making a bit of a profit when you don't have one of those guys. Manny is still a fairly important guy if put in the right fights I think he can pull plenty of cash but those are risky fights that are not in Top Rank other than Crawford

Top Rank has a pretty good diverse stable, it would be nice if they fought top guys from outside more often but as a company they are straight for a bit while they find a big star.

[Motorcity Cobra]

I just said Shawn Porter brother. Porter would rematch Usyk at CW to give Usyk a chance to avenge his amateur L if the opportunity presented itself.

Crawford's has had 2 PBC guys as of late (Molina & Diaz next). I don't think the pipeline between Arum & Haymon is clogged up anymore if it was at all outside of Arum being a b^tch & trying to sue Haymon.

PBC's 147 roster is packed with guys that enhance Crawford's rep potentially to make a fight with Manny more noteworthy for the PPV public.

Have you seen what they paid Molina & Diaz? Diaz is getting less than Molina. He told Dibella don't worry about the extra $50k just make the fight. Porter isn't fighting for $300k when Crawford doesn't have a title at 147, nor should he. HBO isn't paying for Porter. Bob lost money on Crawford v. Postol because they both were his fighters. He's not about to lose money on a PPV with another person's fighter.

If Crawford fights and beats Manny then he's a star and can do PPV's against other PBC welterweights. He has to fight Manny first.