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Originally posted by 1hourRun View PostStill waiting for you to refute any thing I said. Lets talk about the facts, number one : Wladimir is 41 years old, chinny and was inactive for just about the longest period as a pro ( nearly 2 plus years ). Most professionals in the industry considered him way past his best when Fluffy barely beat him. At this point hes just a good name on Joshuas resume and thats it...so add Klitch's name to a Dominc Breazele, Erik Molina ( Deontay leftover ) 'The Prince ' Charles Martin ( worst HW champion perphaps ever ) and Dyllan Whyte -- I dont see how you can knock Deontay's resume but give full credit to Joshua ; when really he has Tyson Fury to thank for where hes at at the moment by vacating his titles.
These guys need to face the #1. HW in the world ( Deontay Wilder ), that has not cheated his way to the top or been given privilege by having a bum champion in Charles Martin delviver a title to his doorstep and then fighting in a false 'unification' against a inactive veteran who never even won the WBA in the first place....Joshua is a lucky man.
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Originally posted by bluepete View PostYouve never explained how beating Stiverne makes Wilder number one. But then that's because you can't.
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A lot of this depends on whether Klitschko goes for the rematch and if he wants it immediately or is willing to wait until next year for it. I will believe Fury is coming back when I see it. So i think the 3 paths that look most likely from here would be, Wlad calls for immediate rematch, fights Joshua in Cardiff in the fall Joshua vacates IBF title. 2, wlad retires, Joshua defends IBF vs Pulev at O2 in the fall. 3, wlad takes bounce back fight while Joshua fights Pulev and Joshua/Wlad 2 at Wembley again next spring.
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This is very sad for Wlad. He is 41 years old and at least 5 years past his prime.
You showed the next generation that you can still hang with them. Continuing to fight top guys as your speed, reflexes, and power continue to deteriorate is no way to end an amazing career.
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Originally posted by 1hourRun View PostIf Wladimir does not get a tuneup by the time the rematch comes along it might be close to four years since he gets a win! this rematch talk is pathetic! Klitch was not even the WBA champion to justify any rematch, but I read somewhere they had a rematch clause OMG! this whole thing sucks. Fight Deontay already.
I definitely wouldn't say a rematch is pathetic from a entertainment point of view & therefore a dollars & cents point of view, which is all the players in boxing are focusing on. I mean sh^t this is one of the best HW title fights I've seen in a minute. Surely that's worthy of something in front of "pathetic" in regards to a rematch.
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Originally posted by 1hourRun View PostWell for starters he is the only current HW champion that beat a top five HW for his title : Joshua, Parker beat Charles Martin and fat boy Andy Ruiz. Wilder is the longest reigning HW champion and most active...then when you compare his resume to any of the top five HW you will have a hard time validating Joshua or Parker over Wilders list of accomplishments...one win vs. a inactive faded HOF is nothing special -- I just killed you.
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Originally posted by bluepete View PostYou just killed yourself. Only you think Stiverne trumps Wlad at any age. Stivernes best win was Arreola, and he was never top five in anyone's imagination. Fury beat the number one. Now Joshua beats a guy who at worst is number 3 or 4.At worst. Who would you have rated above Wlad when Fury beat him? Old Wlad tops Stiverne. Hell, Dillian Whyte probably beats him.
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Originally posted by Eff Pandas View PostI can't really argue with most of what you're saying here & its a fair take. The game works like it works doe. And Klitschko had the power + name going into this fight to command what he did, a rematch, fairly or nah. I'm no fan or supporter of it, but I understand it & know you gotta play the game like this sometimes.
I definitely wouldn't say a rematch is pathetic from a entertainment point of view & therefore a dollars & cents point of view, which is all the players in boxing are focusing on. I mean sh^t this is one of the best HW title fights I've seen in a minute. Surely that's worthy of something in front of "pathetic" in regards to a rematch.
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The one thing I've learned the most over this site users who say one fighter is afraid of another are ****ING IDIOTS. The "scared" fighter Almost always wins. If Wilder KOs Joshua I expect a mass exodus of morons. Again...
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