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  • He does not have that Marquee name in his resume. He is missing that dance partner that he would be remembered by

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    • Wladimir Klitschko: When a loss is a victory

      By Wladimir Klitschko

      At the end of April I competed against Anthony Joshua, and thereby took on the greatest of all challenges: In front of 90,000 spectators in a sold-out Wembley Stadium in London – as well as a TV audience of millions in more than 150 countries – I fought the fight of my life against the 28-year-old Englishman. I competed to conquer the best of the best. Sadly, I failed to achieve my goal. The outcome was that my opponent won the fight. But despite this, and however absurd it may sound, I also left the ring victorious.

      In the run-up, I was 100 percent certain that I would win the duel. I had prepared as well as I could and felt I was in the best form of my life; winning back the title of World Champion was my obsession. I gave it everything during the fight. I managed to get up several times after being knocked down. I was even able to send my opponent to the canvas. But, in the end, it was Anthony Joshua who struck the decisive blow and left the ring victorious. I failed to achieve my goal of winning, but I did in fact gain much more than this. I never thought I would say such a thing, but: in defeat, I achieved much greater success than I would have had I won. Fans and sports enthusiasts worldwide are celebrating my performance and showing me their appreciation. Even my opponent expressed his respect for me.

      The responses that I received and continue to receive after this night of boxing are overwhelming. Commentators reported that I showed greatness even in defeat. Journalists wrote repeatedly that I left the ring a hero, despite my loss: "Klitschko appeared greater in defeat than he has ever managed in victory."

      After years of constantly preparing myself up for victory, this is a completely new experience. I now understand that success does not necessarily mean achieving a set goal. Instead, success means achieving the best possible result. Sometimes we cannot see beforehand what the best possible result might be.

      There are countless people who have experienced this before me. Some of them have become famous because they have achieved outstanding things in the face of defeat.

      US chemist Arthur Spencer Silver, for instance, was working on behalf of the company 3M to develop a super-strong adhesive. He ended up creating the Post-it note almost as a by-product of his work. In the end, it was American Harry Coover who invented the super-strong adhesive. The chemist was looking to develop artificial glass for his employer, Eastman Kodak. Instead he produced an adhesive substance that was launched onto the market as Super Glue.

      Tea trader Thomas Sullivan accidentally invented the tea bag at the start of the twentieth century. As tea samples in his time were sent in large, expensive tin containers, he wanted to find a way to get around the weight problem. He placed the tea in small, space-saving silk bags. His customers thought they were intended for direct use, dunked them in water and drank the tea. The predecessor to the teabag was invented, even though the material was later replaced by filter paper.

      You are also probably familiar with the story from the Pfizer research institute: Staff at the pharmaceutical company were working on the development of a medicine to tackle heart complaints. What emerged – completely unintentionally – was a drug to combat erectile dysfunction in men: Sildenafil, better known by the trade name Viagra.

      The majority of inventors have one thing in common: they work tirelessly, if not obsessively, towards their goal. Fortunately, the men mentioned above kept an open mind and recognized that new opportunities had presenting themselves. They identified a chance for success, even though it seemed that they had suffered defeat.

      It's the same for me. It took a while for me to get over not winning in the ring. Yet I immediately experienced an increase in recognition and respect. When I appeared at Wembley Stadium on April 29, I was booed by the majority of the spectators. Joshua had a clear home advantage as an Englishman. But as I left the ring again, I got goosebumps. Tens of thousands of people who had wanted me to be defeated were applauding me.

      I experienced enthusiasm, encouragement and respect: for me, my performance, my fair fight and my boxing as a whole. I cannot wish for anything better.

      Perhaps you are also familiar with this situation: You have prepared for a task perfectly, given it your all and thought through all eventualities. Yet you failed to achieve your goal. Ask yourself, then, if you haven't perhaps gained something different, something much more valuable. Allow that thought to develop and try to see something valuable in your failure to achieve your goal. If your dream employer has rejected you, the path to self-employment might now be open. Or a job that escaped you might allow you to concentrate on certain business areas that you previously lacked the courage to tackle. Remain open-minded and recognize successes – even if they turn out differently from what you would have expected.

      After all, one thing is true: you are the driving force.

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      • It goes without saying he's a top 10 ATG with that pure domination long reign he had.

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        • In terms of title defenses and stats. Yes. However a lot of his fights were like watching paint dry. I didnt get interested in him as a Champion like I did with Lennox Lewis. I'd rather watch Tommy Morrison with all his flaws because there would be some drama. Tommy is far from being an ATG.
          Last edited by TonyGe; 06-01-2017, 09:23 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Ready4Whatever View Post
            It goes without saying he's a top 10 ATG with that pure domination long reign he had.
            Against who??

            His comp wouldn't bother anybody.

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            • Originally posted by Kigali View Post
              Against who??

              His comp wouldn't bother anybody.
              Are you saying boxers like Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline, Calvin Brock, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Monte Barrett, Derrick Jefferson, Bryant Jennings, Samuel Peter, Hasim Rahman, Ray Austin, DaVarryl Williamson and Danell Nicholson wouldn't "bother anybody"?

              You're not very loyal to your brothers, Kigali.

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              • Originally posted by Kigali View Post
                Against who??

                His comp wouldn't bother anybody.
                Bull****. It was far better than Tysons bum era full of only americans thats for sure. lol boxing was like a domestic american sport then . most of the best heavyweights couldn't even turn pro.

                You are a black supremacist racist wanker in a severe depression because whites dominate boxing, how sad.

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                • Originally posted by Freedom . View Post
                  Are you saying boxers like Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline, Calvin Brock, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Monte Barrett, Derrick Jefferson, Bryant Jennings, Samuel Peter, Hasim Rahman, Ray Austin, DaVarryl Williamson and Danell Nicholson wouldn't "bother anybody"?

                  You're not very loyal to your brothers, Kigali.
                  Hahhaha good point

                  If the ex Soviets couldn't have turned pro like they couldn't in the past, all those guys on the list that hadn't won world titles would have won world titles, and guys like David Haye, Hasim Rahman, Samuel Peter wouldve been thought of as AtG's by racist ***** wankers like Kigali.

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                  • Originally posted by Ready4Whatever View Post
                    Bull****. It was far better than Tysons bum era full of only americans thats for sure. lol boxing was like a domestic american sport then . most of the best heavyweights couldn't even turn pro.

                    You are a black supremacist racist wanker in a severe depression because whites dominate boxing, how sad.
                    Joe Louis had a bum of the month TOUR

                    Vlad had a bum of the month CAREER

                    ....and still managed to get KO'd...by Black journeymen.

                    Tyson was exciting KOing bums....Vlad is timid and boring fighting his.

                    Boxing is a better place for a Black supremacist than a White supremacist.

                    I bet you're not even white....lol

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                    • Originally posted by Freedom . View Post
                      Are you saying boxers like Chris Byrd, Jameel McCline, Calvin Brock, Eddie Chambers, David Haye, Tony Thompson, Monte Barrett, Derrick Jefferson, Bryant Jennings, Samuel Peter, Hasim Rahman, Ray Austin, DaVarryl Williamson and Danell Nicholson wouldn't "bother anybody"?

                      You're not very loyal to your brothers, Kigali.
                      That's a serious murderers row
                      You hurt your own case listing all that mediocrity.

                      Well we saw Chris Byrd bother Vitali.....even made him QUIT on his stool like a biotch.

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