Barrera was a more dangerous fight than ggg

[GGG Gloveking]

Andy Lee couldn't stop Chavez, but Fonfara could, which means that Barrera is more dangerous than Golovkin ..

Mmmm .. it's a triangle theory, but without any triangles!

It takes 2 or 3 triangles to get all these points to connect

[Redd Foxx]

If Barrera had fought Kovalev (who was his mandatory) instead of Pascal, or even Chilemba, people would slam Ward for those as being worthless wins. They'd also point out how great the Barrera win was for Kovalev because look how Barreras has 2 wins since while Pascal and Chilemba are nothing now.
The hate squad comes up so short when it comes to this guy so they are forced to just make shyt up and talk about how terribly shrewd a businessman he is Kinda pathetic, they are.

Regarding Barrera being harder than Golovkin, I'm not going to get into that because they both present their own challenges.

[Cutthroat]

LOL at using an image of Fonfora punching Jr. to argue that Barrera has great power. If mental gymnastics was an Olympic event, the OP would place gold.

Andy Lee couldn't stop Chavez, but Fonfara could, which means that Barrera is more dangerous than Golovkin ..

Mmmm .. it's a triangle theory, but without any triangles!

I couldn't agree more. Fonfara knocked Chavez down so Barrera must hit harder than GGG.

Makes perfect sense.

Fonfara 50% KO ratio
Barrera 70% KO ratio

This isn't rocket science, Barrera hits significantly harder, LHWS in general hit significantly harder than 160lbers which almost never carry their power (see Abraham or Miranda for examples) up.

Golovkin just struggled against DJ and couldn't even knock him out, while Barrera's dominant win over Shabranskyy was far more impressive. Barrera is the more dangerous fighter, you think DJ could go 12 with him? lmao

[Mammoth]

Yeah, a light heavy would be a harder win than a middleweight. Seems pretty true.

[Lester Tutor]

Fonfara 50% KO ratio
Barrera 70% KO ratio

This isn't rocket science, Barrera hits significantly harder, LHWS in general hit significantly harder than 160lbers which almost never carry their power (see Abraham or Miranda for examples) up.

Golovkin just struggled against DJ and couldn't even knock him out, while Barrera's dominant win over Shabranskyy was far more impressive. Barrera is the more dangerous fighter, you think DJ could go 12 with him? lmao

Gotta give props to Nelo for having Shabransky in camp in prep for Alvarez. You see the latest videos of the sparring. Nelo popping Shabransky's head back with jabs. Only sparring but stil, Nelo got that youth power transitioning rather nicely. Somewhat like a Swift Garcia to 147.

[GGG Gloveking]

Fonfara 50% KO ratio
Barrera 70% KO ratio

This isn't rocket science, Barrera hits significantly harder, LHWS in general hit significantly harder than 160lbers which almost never carry their power (see Abraham or Miranda for examples) up.

Golovkin just struggled against DJ and couldn't even knock him out, while Barrera's dominant win over Shabranskyy was far more impressive. Barrera is the more dangerous fighter, you think DJ could go 12 with him? lmao

Did they fight the same people? And I still don't see how you tie any of this to Golovkin? How does Fonfara knocked Chavez down translate to Barrera is better than Golovkin?

And quite frankly, I got Jacobs over Berrara

At least give me something reasonable, like Pirog is better than GGG because he KOed Jacobs

[Mukuro]

If Barrera had fought Kovalev (who was his mandatory) instead of Pascal, or even Chilemba, people would slam Ward for those as being worthless wins. They'd also point out how great the Barrera win was for Kovalev because look how Barreras has 2 wins since while Pascal and Chilemba are nothing now.
The hate squad comes up so short when it comes to this guy so they are forced to just make shyt up and talk about how terribly shrewd a businessman he is Kinda pathetic, they are.

Regarding Barrera being harder than Golovkin, I'm not going to get into that because they both present their own challenges.

I don't really buy that. Timing is important here. You are right that Barrera's stock is rising a bit, while Pascal's career is flat-lining. At the time of the fights though, it was a different story, and that matters. Pascal was considered one of the top guys, and Barrera was not. Nobody hypes up the Chilemba win, so I don't know why you brought him up.

I think in light of Barrera's recent showings, Ward does deserve more credit for that win than he gets though.

[Redd Foxx]

I don't really buy that. Timing is important here. You are right that Barrera's stock is rising a bit, while Pascal's career is flat-lining. At the time of the fights though, it was a different story, and that matters. Pascal was considered one of the top guys, and Barrera was not. Nobody hypes up the Chilemba win, so I don't know why you brought him up.

I think in light of Barrera's recent showings, Ward does deserve more credit for that win than he gets though.

I don't necessarily disagree with you and I think you may have missed what I was saying. I'm not talking about a 20/20 hindsight. I'm talking about how people act now about Barrera vs how they would act had Kovalev fought him. If Kovalev had fought Barrera, people would be talking about how great Barrera is (much in the same way they pretend past GG opponents are so great). How they say Chilemba was so tricky but you know that if Ward had the exact same fight with him, they would now be saying Ward was exposed by a "bum". Also, people seem to respect Pascal but he'd be called complete garbage of Ward fought him twice. Hell, you've got clowns here calling Kessler and Froch bums just for the sake of discrediting Ward.

I like Kovalev, he's one of my faves, but the guy gets so much extra credit and so many passes whereas Ward is robbed of any credit. Kovalev was revered for beating an old Hopkins but Dawson had just beaten a fresher version of Bhop and got 0 credit. As a fan of both Ward and Kovalev, it's really glaring to see.

[kafkod]

Fonfara 50% KO ratio
Barrera 70% KO ratio

This isn't rocket science, Barrera hits significantly harder, LHWS in general hit significantly harder than 160lbers which almost never carry their power (see Abraham or Miranda for examples) up.

Golovkin just struggled against DJ and couldn't even knock him out, while Barrera's dominant win over Shabranskyy was far more impressive. Barrera is the more dangerous fighter, you think DJ could go 12 with him? lmao

Nope, it isn't rocket science.

[Mukuro]

I don't necessarily disagree with you and I think you may have missed what I was saying. I'm not talking about a 20/20 hindsight. I'm talking about how people act now about Barrera vs how they would act had Kovalev fought him. If Kovalev had fought Barrera, people would be talking about how great Barrera is (much in the same way they pretend past GG opponents are so great). How they say Chilemba was so tricky but you know that if Ward had the exact same fight with him, they would now be saying Ward was exposed by a "bum". Also, people seem to respect Pascal but he'd be called complete garbage of Ward fought him twice. Hell, you've got clowns here calling Kessler and Froch bums just for the sake of discrediting Ward.

I like Kovalev, he's one of my faves, but the guy gets so much extra credit and so many passes whereas Ward is robbed of any credit. Kovalev was revered for beating an old Hopkins but Dawson had just beaten a fresher version of Bhop and got 0 credit. As a fan of both Ward and Kovalev, it's really glaring to see.

Yeah, one of the more annoying practices on here. In my eyes though, anyone who discredits a real fighter only discredits themself in the process.

I think with Barrera there is a blind spot though. I had to reassess him, and Ward's win over him, after his last two fights. It looks better in hindsight than it did to me at the time.