Highly considered with miminal pro experience era?

[Eff Pandas]

I agree. The whole wasteland of 20-30 set up fights against bums before finally stepping it up was a joke. I'd rather see a guy with a few losses than a guy who has been protected.

100%. L's are way to harshly judged in boxing. That's a trend I'd like to see changed.

If you notice the trend in your post, all the names are Eastern Euros. It just means that they're the new flavor of the month and people love hopping on bandwagons.

Flavor of the month? Whatcha mean? Guys who are ranking these guys are just fanboys or something?

I disagree. Every guy I listed has beaten a guy or multiple guys who the average promising prospect isn't fighting til they've gotten 20, 25, hell sometimes 30+ pro fights.

There is substance to these guys to have gotten as far as they've gotten already. And historically, at least for as long as I've been following boxing, I've never seen so many top ten, top twenty & top fifty caliber guys who have had so few fights. Its more than a flavor of the month thing cuz there are still guys on the way up who are beating guys in their pro debut & by their 5th fight very few guys are fighting at a similar level. Eastern Euro or nah.

[NEETzsche]

Another factor not mentioned yet is that Eastern Europeans and Central Asians are not that marketable to American audiences so their promoters are less inclined to mollycoddle them. It's probably more profitable to put them straight into a baptism of fire and then if they get through it they can be sold as bogeymen or maestros

[Tom Cruise]

These guys are often pretty old by the time they turn over, between 25 and 30, and dont generally have the time to messing around with lots of set up fights. By that point they are extremely experienced in the amateur game and can be quickly moved through the ranks.

Also, they arent fighting all that often compared to fighters in the past, so waiting until you are 20-0 to step up could mean waiting 5 years or more, which most promoters and fighters wouldnt want.

[Motorcity Cobra]

And these guys are old. They're in their late 20's early 30's. All the guys you named are older than Canelo

[Eff Pandas]

And these guys are old. They're in their late 20's early 30's. All the guys you named are older than Canelo

AAA is 25. Think Bivol is younger too.

But again its not like there haven't been accomplished amateurs who turned pro at 24-28ish years old in the past or currently. Usually they get nowhere close to where these guys have gotten &/or are still moved on that 3-5 year timeline so many promising prospects in the pro game are moved in.

[joe strong]

Most of the boxers you mentioned in your list have good amateur background, Olympians & some are even medalists.. So a well schooled boxer comes along & it would take him a few fights to figure out where he stands with respect to the current pool of talents.. Also some of the divisions were wide open & the top guys were promoted when the guys retired/lost like HW, CW, WW..
I also think in this era people have learnt a lesson that boxing is not a sport of longevity & you need to speed up to secure a title/top challenger which eventually would lead to good money fights..


oh btw Panda.. this is a B- troll thread

That is why I always said Hasim Rahman winning 2 world titles & beating Lennox Lewis is a pretty awesome accomplishment considering the quality HWs there were in the 90s. Rahman had 10 amateur fights & went pro. Talk about overachieving. Your last comment about longevity being short in the sport... Charles Martin would agree with you completely. In a 5 month period he fought Glazkov & Joshua. He made 9 million US in those fights. $433300 for Glazkov & 8.5 million against Joshua. That guy won the lottery when Fury beat Klitschko & was stripped. He made the most of it. Nobody of his level will get a chance to do that again for a long time.

[soul_survivor]

Is this a completely unique time in boxing history when so many guys (in all divisions, as its not untypical in the lil guy divisions, but those divisions tend to be the least deep divisions in boxing too so it makes sense) with 20 or less or 15 or less fights are so highly ranked &/or considered by fans &/or pundits?

Anthony Joshua is considered the #1 at HW with a mere 18 fights. Which I don't think I can recall happening for a very long time. Leon Spinks mighta been the last guy I can recall with equal or less fights.

Oleksandr Usyk is considered the #1 guy at CW with 12 fights. Michael Hunter just got a title shot vs Usyk in his 13th fight.

LHW gots Oleksandr Gvozdyk (13 fights), Artur Beterbiev (11 fights) & Dmitry Bivol (10 fights) are or are becoming mid-level top 10 players in the division already.

MW gots Sergiy Derevyanchenko (10 fights) in the top 10 & Ryota Murata (12 fights) close to bursting in the top 10. And even a 6 fight guy, Azizbek Abdugofurov, making big moves with under a year in the game still.

At 140 we got Sergey Lipinets (12 fights) who might be fighting for a title next time around.

And then we obviously got the crowning achievement of this minimal pro experience takeover at 130, Vasyl Lomachenko, with a mere 9 fights & belts in 2 divisions already.

And these are just the guys I or others have been most interested in &/or most talking about. There are plenty of guys in the top 20 of divisions that I didn't mention or the top 50 who are extremely talented & still on the come up.

So is this just the Eastern Euro invasion that they aren't f#cking around about? Or is this a new era of boxing where promoters are moving up guys fast who can compete & fighters are happy to oblige? Or is this just a weaker era of boxing where talented amateurs can come into the pro game & rekt it all the more quicker than previously? Or is it something else entirely?

Whatever it is I'm loving all these guys who are fighting on this new sped up boxing conveyor belt that's typically moved guys from pro debut to first real challenging fight &/or title shot over a 3-5 year period.

I've never cared for the kid gloves that the most promising, highly talented boxers are handled with. These should be the fighters who are moved the most aggressively, but instead boxing throws the untalented & bs guys into the boxing meat grinder & those most talented boxers into 20ish setup fights over 3-5 years before actually putting them in with a live opponent who has more than a 40% chance of winning. Crazy how that's been going on so long.

AJ isnt ranked number one. He is 5th by The Ring, the most quoted rankings around. None of the sanctioning bodies apart from IBF rank him no.1 either. Maybe WBA has him that high but I'm not sure.

Giving examples across other divisions, most of the names have 20 plus fights under their belts to be ranked highly. Guys with few fights, less than 20, are rare, not common.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Flavor of the month? Whatcha mean? Guys who are ranking these guys are just fanboys or something?

I disagree. Every guy I listed has beaten a guy or multiple guys who the average promising prospect isn't fighting til they've gotten 20, 25, hell sometimes 30+ pro fights.

There is substance to these guys to have gotten as far as they've gotten already. And historically, at least for as long as I've been following boxing, I've never seen so many top ten, top twenty & top fifty caliber guys who have had so few fights. Its more than a flavor of the month thing cuz there are still guys on the way up who are beating guys in their pro debut & by their 5th fight very few guys are fighting at a similar level. Eastern Euro or nah.

Uhh yea... Have you not seen that it's always the same 5-10 people hopping on the Eastern Euros' ****? It doesn't matter who it is, as long as their last name is Russian/Ukrainian, these same 5-10 people will shine their knobs.

[BoxingFan85]

That is why I always said Hasim Rahman winning 2 world titles & beating Lennox Lewis is a pretty awesome accomplishment considering the quality HWs there were in the 90s. Rahman had 10 amateur fights & went pro. Talk about overachieving. Your last comment about longevity being short in the sport... Charles Martin would agree with you completely. In a month period he fought Glazkov & Joshua. He made 9 million US in those fights. $433300 for Glazkov & 8.5 million against Joshua. That guy won the lottery when Fury beat Klitschko & was stripped. He made the most of it. Nobody of his level will get a chance to do that again for a long time.

Charles Martin was my favorite boxer of all time.. RIP.. #Legend

[PrBoxing88]

So whats more impressive, What Wilfred Benitez did (win a title at age of 17) or Lomachenko win a title in his 3rd pro fight???