Massive inconsistency in Ring magazines top heavy list.

[bluebeam]

People still praise him because he had disadvantages in the ring, not advantages, plus he had a massive heart.
Bet you are a Tyson fan though and still idolize him, despite the fact that he actually did have ******* in him whilst in the ring, and other times weed.
Not to mention all the fouling he did, Ruddock low blows, trying to break Botha's arm, hitting Savarese and pushing the ref to the floor, after the fight was already stopped, etc etc etc
Or the interview in which he laughed whilst telling the interviewee how he liked to hurt women.
Did I mention biting part of a mans ear off on live TV?
Or the ****?
Or hitting civilians in the street?
Or mugging old people when he was a kid?
Or threatening to eat Lewis' kids?
Or fighting at weigh ins?
Bet you don't mind people still praising him though huh?

There will never be another 19 year old heavyweight champion. Just imagine the 19 year olds that you come in contact with today. Do you think any of them could be the baddest man on the planet?

but with that being said, Holyfield was a beast and he would give tyson fits 10 times out of 10

[soul_survivor]

There will never be another 19 year old heavyweight champion. Just imagine the 19 year olds that you come in contact with today. Do you think any of them could be the baddest man on the planet?

but with that being said, Holyfield was a beast and he would give tyson fits 10 times out of 10

Tyson was 20 when he won the belt and 21/22 when he was undisputed.

But I agree with your point. Boxers developed a lot slower these days.

[Larry the boss]

Would you elaborate? I know another boxing forum where they have a clique of mods, who bully and hate anyone who has their own opinion, or who dares to find any fault with a fighter they like. Maybe it is the same guy. I have seen that one of them posts on here. A vile scumbag, who is sarcastic, bitter, hypocritical, a know it all, totally biased, twists facts to suit his arguments, and hates everyone apart from Tyson...who just happens to be possibly the last boxer anyone should admire, as a person anyway.

meaning they think power is the only thing that matters

[TheUptownKid]

Thanks for your interest. I don't really think ranking is possible to do in a fair way, so I don't do it myself, but thanks for asking pal.

I was always a fan of Holyfield and he showed up time in and time out. I agree with your ranking comment, I feel like so much goes into a ranking that it becomes too far from objective. People can just say who they like and why and move forward.

I personally love Lamont Peterson because he has a ton of stamina, will, ruthless body punching and heart. Unfortunately many don't agree so whatever I have my own list, good to see you articulate yours.

[chaconfan]

I was always a fan of Holyfield and he showed up time in and time out. I agree with your ranking comment, I feel like so much goes into a ranking that it becomes too far from objective. People can just say who they like and why and move forward.

I personally love Lamont Peterson because he has a ton of stamina, will, ruthless body punching and heart. Unfortunately many don't agree so whatever I have my own list, good to see you articulate yours.

Thanks pal. Add me if you like.

[chaconfan]

Tyson was 20 when he won the belt and 21/22 when he was undisputed.

But I agree with your point. Boxers developed a lot slower these days.

Thanks for your input. I agree that 19 is an incredible age to win a version of the HW title, although he did have the best possible chance, being that he was like D'amato's son. and was therefore being groomed personally.
How incredible was Benitez then, to have won a 15rd world title fight from a good champion, at only 17?
Just want to explain that you misunderstood my point about todays boxers in comparison to old school ones.
I wasn't saying that they develop slower, in fact exactly the opposite. There are guys in Ring magazines p4p list that have only had a handful of fights, like Inoue, and Lomanchenko. Also look at Joshua. What I was saying was guys in their 30's and 40's in the old days were a lot more worn out than today's equivalent, as they had much harder lives, less good food, and more fights. Those fights were often much more brutal than those today, and longer too. Thanks for reading.

[chaconfan]

There will never be another 19 year old heavyweight champion. Just imagine the 19 year olds that you come in contact with today. Do you think any of them could be the baddest man on the planet?

but with that being said, Holyfield was a beast and he would give tyson fits 10 times out of 10

Just want to point out to anyone who may not know, that this that you quoted me on, was in relation to Holyfield and NOT Tyson...

"People still praise him because he had disadvantages in the ring, not advantages, plus he had a massive heart".

Please would you edit your message to me with the quote, by adding something like "I agree Holyfield had disadvantages and a massive heart, because these posts last forever and get picked up all over the net when you google Tyson or Holyfield and I don't want to look like I am giving Tyson praise for something I strongly disagree with. I greatly appreciate your input pal.

[chaconfan]

Thanks for posting the article!

Thing is, this article is looking at who was the greatest heavyweight champion and part of tha tis based on a fighter's popularity and important to America and/or the world at the time. Let's be real here, the only two globally recognised heavyweight champs, and when I say that, I mean this scenario: walk into a tiny village in ****ladesh and show them the picture of all those guys named above. Ali will be the only one unanimously reocgnised. Tyson will come in second. The others will just be random men in shorts.

Beyond Ali at number one and Tyson somewhere on that list, I can't argue too much with it. Louis and Marciano were both mroe "historical" fighters than Holyfield, although I'd actually rate Holyfield and his accomplishments above both of them. For me, Louis as teh de facto number 2 is plain wrong. But hey, it is what it is.

You are welcome.
No way on this earth though should Liston be above Holyfield. He had one defense against a guy with the weakest chin of all HW champs, and quit against light punching Clay. SOME LEGEND RIGHT THERE!

[chaconfan]

Just wanted to let you know in case you are interested, that I had missed some champs out the Holyfield beat.
The list has been edited. Thanks for your time.

[soul_survivor]

You are welcome.
No way on this earth though should Liston be above Holyfield. He had one defense against a guy with the weakest chin of all HW champs, and quit against light punching Clay. SOME LEGEND RIGHT THERE!

Ali was never light punching. But it was the sheer physical toll Ali took on Liston by making his miss, again and again, that broke the beasts resolve. At the end of the day Liston was a more well known and more historical heavyweight than Holyfield, which is the nature of these rankings from what I read.