Do you agree with this breakdown on fantasy fight Tyson vs Frazier?

[Mr Objecitivity]

Foreman and Holmes were wrecking 90s heavyweights as old men.

George Foreman beat a bunch of bums and extremely low ranked opponents. Anytime he fought a top quality opposition, he's always lost. Even a slight step up in competition against an average - high quality opponent like Axel Schulz, George Foreman was badly exposed and beaten to a pulp. So 'wrecking' extremely low quality modern opponents isn't as impressive.

The same applies to Larry Holmes too.

[Mr Objecitivity]

Guys like Frazier and Norton would be dominant cruiserweights today.

The 70s Foreman would clean out today's HW division. So would prime Holmes, although he'd be gentler about it.

Modern (top level) cruiserweights are far more skilled and have far more abilities than relatively lower skilled past smaller heavyweights like Ken Norton and Joe Frazier. The likes of Oleksandr Usyk and David Haye combined are faster, more powerful, have faster reflexes, are more elusive, are more athletic and are better all round boxers than the likes of Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. However, I do agree that both Frazier and Ken Norton could've had success at cruiserweight. It's the best they could've done, which is to become cruiserweight champions.

George Foreman's KO percentage against non bummy opponents weighing over 215 pounds (common weight range of modern heavyweights) is under 56.2%. Whereas his KO% against opponents below 215 pounds (past era heavyweight's common weight range) was over 60%. So no, there's no reason to assume George Foreman would clean how the modern heavyweight with his relatively abysmal KO% against modern sized NON BUMMY opponents.

Also, George Foreman was extremely low skilled. He was always wide open to getting hit, always had poor and slow footwork, was very slow in terms of overall movement and wasn't the most accurate puncher. This openly begs for elusive and technical boxers like Chris Byrd, Sultan Ibragimov, Eddie Chambers and David Haye to beat George Foreman to an absolute pulp.

[future hendrixx]

its pretty simple if you ask tyson fans.

if frazier wins = tyson not prime.
if tyson is prime then he wins.

simple. prime tyson beats everybody in boxing history.

[Mr Objecitivity]

its pretty simple if you ask tyson fans.

if frazier wins = tyson not prime.
if tyson is prime then he wins.

simple. prime tyson beats everybody in boxing history.

I'm a Tyson fan and even I will admit Mike Tyson has absolutely 0% chance of beating skilled super heavyweights like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis. No version of Mike Tyson stands a chance against them, even a punchers chance.

However, Joe Frazier gets destroyed worse than he got destroyed by George Foreman. Modern heavyweights are bigger, stronger and more athletic than past era heavyweights pre - 1980 combined with top quality skills.

[future hendrixx]

Modern cruiser-weights would likely beat past era heavyweights like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Oleksandr Usyk in his 'athletic' physique / shape is bigger and heavier than Muhammad Ali in his 'athletic' physique / shape. Oleksandr Usyk is also a far better boxer than Muhammad Ali in terms of all round skills and technique. He would box Muhammad Ali's ears off and would have a field day with someone like Joe Frazier as well.

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[iamboxing]

Modern cruiser-weights would likely beat past era heavyweights like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Oleksandr Usyk in his 'athletic' physique / shape is bigger and heavier than Muhammad Ali in his 'athletic' physique / shape. Oleksandr Usyk is also a far better boxer than Muhammad Ali in terms of all round skills and technique. He would box Muhammad Ali's ears off and would have a field day with someone like Joe Frazier as well.

[Sheldon312]

Mike Tyson steamrolls and destroys Joe Frazier inside 2 rounds. He might even do to Joe what he did to his son Marvis Frazier, knock him out senseless inside the first minute.

Mike Tyson was better in pretty much every department to Joe Frazier that really mattered. In fact, I'd go as far as to state that Mike Tyson would likely beat all the boxers pre 1980. The boxers that Tyson has no chances against are super heavyweights like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis. Past era heavyweights were simply to backward, small and lacked the quality that the more modern heavyweights have acquired in recent times in order to beat Mike Tyson.

Who did Tyson beat in his prime that is even close to Frazier. What happened when Buster Douglas stood up to him? And dont give me that crap that he was out of his prime. He was 24 years old when that fight happened. Based off the fact that he beat nothing but trash cans in his prime, never rose to the occasion, and lost every big fight, we have no evidence that he would beat Ali, Foreman, Frazier Johnson, Liston or even Norton at that. Tyson is more of a myth than a monster.

[Sheldon312]

I'm a Tyson fan and even I will admit Mike Tyson has absolutely 0% chance of beating skilled super heavyweights like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis. No version of Mike Tyson stands a chance against them, even a punchers chance.

However, Joe Frazier gets destroyed worse than he got destroyed by George Foreman. Modern heavyweights are bigger, stronger and more athletic than past era heavyweights pre - 1980 combined with top quality skills.

No, just no. Frazier would be the best heavyweight in today's era.

[Poppo168]

No, just no. Frazier would be the best heavyweight in today's era.

Giving away 6-7 inches in height and about 10 inches in reach to most of the top Heavyweight's these days, not to mention the 40lb weight difference, I really don't think Joe would survive in the HW, maybe mid level competition but I think he's be too small

[juggernaut666]

No, just no. Frazier would be the best heavyweight in today's era.

A 5'11 guy who used his face as a shield FIRST ...defeats SHW's today? Not sure you actually watched Frazier fight other than clips .....he would get knocked out ALOT !

You even used a 6'4 230 pounder LONG range fighter in Buster Douglas as an example of why Frazier wins ???This thread belongs in the history section with Corso and his wacky followers who are ALMOST as delusional as him !