Do you agree with this breakdown on fantasy fight Tyson vs Frazier?

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  • Sheldon312
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    Do you agree with this breakdown on fantasy fight Tyson vs Frazier?

    Frazier vs Tyson
    Joe Frazier only lost to two men in his career, Muhammad Ali and George Foreman. Tyson fans point to the Foreman bouts, where Frazier was routed and repeatedly knocked down as evidence that Tyson too would be able to hurt and knock out Frazier. However, Frazier’s chin was actually quite good, as the Ali bouts demonstrate. Additionally, Foreman was a bigger – if less explosive – puncher than Mike Tyson, and more importantly, he was a much larger man.


    Tyson and Frazier were essentially the same size, with Tyson being more heavily muscled and Frazier owning a slightly longer reach. And a young Mike Tyson deployed many of the signature tactics of Smokin’ Joe. He would bob and weave, slip inside and unleash a ferocious left hook.
    One of the many classic boxing axioms though is that you don’t hook with a hooker. It means that when one fighter throws a great hook, you shouldn’t try to trade hooks with him, because his will surely land quicker, truer and harder. While Tyson’s left hook was lethal, Frazier’s left hook was one of the best heavyweight weapons of all time.
    Joe Frazier also had an indomitable will – George Foreman had to knock him down six times in their first meeting to stop him. Mike Tyson on the other hand was a classic frontrunner, and could be bullied out of his game plan. He didn’t like it when people stood up to him, and he crumbled under the returned pressure. And pressure is what he would face from Joe Frazier (unlike what he faced from Marvis Frazier, Joe’s son and mainly a cruiserweight fighter whom Tyson knocked out in 1 round).
    Frazier would get into Tyson’s face and would slip the majority of his shots. While the first half of the fight would see action going both ways, by the middle rounds Tyson would begin to be worn down and frustrated. Even if Tyson landed a solid and clean blow, Frazier would not be deterred. He would have to be knocked out cold to stop coming forward.
    Frazier would continue to work on Tyson, alternating between digging body shots and vicious hooks to the head. Eventually, one of these hooks would be too much for Tyson to handle, and he’d go down for the count of 10 somewhere around the eighth or ninth round.
    Joe Frazier had a more complete game than Mike Tyson, and a superior mental composition for an encounter such as this. In this proposed contest between two former heavyweight champions, Joe Frazier would win via knockout over Mike Tyson.
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    Foreman was 215 lbs when he knocked Frazier around like a scarecrow.


    Lennox Lewis was 245 lbs giant and he couldn't put Tyson down until Tyson was totally gassed.


    Tyson is actually tougher than Frazier.

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    • The Time
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      It's subjective. I'm on the fence with this one.

      Because on one hand I understand the point of Tyson being a bigger man and when he was in his prime he was ferocious. Tyson was a bully that relied on his skills/fast hands, bruteness, strength and intimidation. But when the going got tough, he wasn't strong mentally.

      And I know Frazier lost to Foreman, but Tyson lost to Holyfield twice.

      If Frazier and Holyfield fought who would you pick. It would be a great fight but I would lean towards Frazier and pick Frazier.

      Styles make fights too. It's tough to determine some of these fantasy match ups and top 10 lists because it's subjective. It does make for good conversation though because of it's curiosity. It has lots of intangibles and questions.

      But good stuff man. Thanks for making these Threads.

      And your breakdown is good regarding this match up. I can see that scenario and others. So yeah, good break down.
      Last edited by The Time; 04-25-2017, 12:52 AM.

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      • NakiFan
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        As with almost any fantasy fight involving tyson it depends if joe can soak up early punishment while dishing out his own.

        If he gets to the second half of the fight and hes not taken a bad beating i favour him ro grind tyson down late

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          #5
          frazier is more overrated than tyson.

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          • Mr Objecitivity
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            Mike Tyson steamrolls and destroys Joe Frazier inside 2 rounds. He might even do to Joe what he did to his son Marvis Frazier, knock him out senseless inside the first minute.

            Mike Tyson was better in pretty much every department to Joe Frazier that really mattered. In fact, I'd go as far as to state that Mike Tyson would likely beat all the boxers pre 1980. The boxers that Tyson has no chances against are super heavyweights like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis. Past era heavyweights were simply to backward, small and lacked the quality that the more modern heavyweights have acquired in recent times in order to beat Mike Tyson.

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              Modern cruiser-weights would likely beat past era heavyweights like Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier. Oleksandr Usyk in his 'athletic' physique / shape is bigger and heavier than Muhammad Ali in his 'athletic' physique / shape. Oleksandr Usyk is also a far better boxer than Muhammad Ali in terms of all round skills and technique. He would box Muhammad Ali's ears off and would have a field day with someone like Joe Frazier as well.

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              • Mr Objecitivity
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                Mike Tyson fought higher number of heavier + skilled opponents than Joe Frazier at actual heavyweight (200+ pounds). Mike Tyson's record in terms of wins and knockouts were also better at actual heavyweight (200+ pounds) than Joe Frazier's record at actual heavyweight. The first boxer who was anywhere near a modern heavyweight (George Foreman) that Joe Frazier fought, he was absolutely destroyed. Joe Frazier was simply not competent enough to compete against modern sized heavyweights / super heavyweights. Today, he would more likely be a cruiserweight than heavyweight. Maybe even a light heavyweight.

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                  Originally posted by Tabaristio
                  Mike Tyson steamrolls and destroys Joe Frazier inside 2 rounds. He might even do to Joe what he did to his son Marvis Frazier, knock him out senseless inside the first minute.

                  Mike Tyson was better in pretty much every department to Joe Frazier that really mattered. In fact, I'd go as far as to state that Mike Tyson would likely beat all the boxers pre 1980. The boxers that Tyson has no chances against are super heavyweights like the Klitschkos and Lennox Lewis. Past era heavyweights were simply to backward, small and lacked the quality that the more modern heavyweights have acquired in recent times in order to beat Mike Tyson.

                  Foreman and Holmes were wrecking 90s heavyweights as old men.

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                  • APryor
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                    Originally posted by Tabaristio
                    Mike Tyson fought higher number of heavier + skilled opponents than Joe Frazier at actual heavyweight (200+ pounds). Mike Tyson's record in terms of wins and knockouts were also better at actual heavyweight (200+ pounds) than Joe Frazier's record at actual heavyweight. The first boxer who was anywhere near a modern heavyweight (George Foreman) that Joe Frazier fought, he was absolutely destroyed. Joe Frazier was simply not competent enough to compete against modern sized heavyweights / super heavyweights. Today, he would more likely be a cruiserweight than heavyweight. Maybe even a light heavyweight.
                    Guys like Frazier and Norton would be dominant cruiserweights today.

                    The 70s Foreman would clean out today's HW division. So would prime Holmes, although he'd be gentler about it.

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