Comments Thread For: Lemieux: Don't Underestimate Chavez; Tough Fight for Canelo

[Shadoww702]

The more I think about it, the less of a chance I give Chavez Jr.

At first my thoughts were that Chavez Jr is too big, tall, and vs a JMW-MW he will hit hard like he did to Martinez although his rally fell short, and Lee (TKO). So I gave him a chance vs Canelo.

But then I think about it, guy walks around maybe 190+, and pretty much has to train hard to come down to 164.5, which is an absurd catchweight, why the .5? Why not 165lbs? Anyway, Chavez Jr is just weight training, there's nothing Nacho can do boxing-wise with such a big fighter who's trying to come down so much in weight. Weight is in the front and back of their minds at all times, how much time does JCC Jr realistically have to actually come up with a really good boxing gameplan? How much is he focusing? Not much I think. It's gonna be a flat Chavez Jr getting outboxed by an agile Canelo who's training camp consisted of chilling and working out normall and thinking of ways to outbox Chavez Jr and will have little work to make 164.5.

He can come in at 165. The penalty doesn't kick in until it's 1lb.

He can come in at 165 with Canelo not being able to say SHT about it. Heck he can come in at 165.49 if he wants....FYI

He can come in 166.49 for a $1,000,000.
Or what he ALMOST weighed back in December 167.49 for $2,000,000

[hitking]

Because he's only 26 years old and about 5'7 1/2 so he's not doing anything but coming down to around the weight he should be at..

even though Canelo's weight can go up to 180lbs+ that's still not a healthy weight for Canelo's frame. In reality he should only be about 170-175lbs..

Chavez Jr on the other hand in his 30's and is 6'1. Given his height and age now. He should be about 187-205lbs naturally.. so getting down to 164 is weight draining for his large frame...

The ? for me is.. is Chavez's body still young enough to rehydrate back to a healthy weight by fight night? you know Canelo's team will want the weigh in to be as late in the day as possible.

Jr is long, lanky, and no more than a natural super middleweight in this era. When he was in with a legitimate light heavyweight in Fonfara, he was the smaller, weaker fighter. Dude gets fat between fights. He's not the first, nor will he be the last fighter to do so.

[Realizniguhnit]

He can come in at 165. The penalty doesn't kick in until it's 1lb.

He can come in at 165 with Canelo not being able to say SHT about it. Heck he can come in at 165.49 if he wants....FYI

He can come in 166.49 for a $1,000,000.
Or what he ALMOST weighed back in December 167.49 for $2,000,000

I see him giving up a million or 2 If that's the costs. Unless Heriedia is that good. I think Jr will realize that closer he gets in weight that 164.5 for him = DEAD MAN WALKING

[hitking]

I thought Canelo walks around 180-190??? How come they don't call him weight drained when he makes 154 on OFFICIAL scales??? Or he's bigger than GGG but ggg has the problem coming down below 160??? And says anyone from 154-168.

I agree 100% with your definition.

According to some of these cats logic, Ricky Hatton should have fought his entire career as a middleweight. Frame and all that **** has very little to do with making weight comfortably. Bernard Hopkins is a prime example. He fought and lost his pro debut I believe as a cruiserweight. His frame suggest he probably was a natural light heavyweight his entire career. But dude not only was a total gym rat. He lived his everyday life almost as if he were in training camp for a fight. In the gym everyday. His diet. Everything he did was about maintaining his light heavyweight frame at or around 160. And he did it for two decades.

[steeve steel]

Lemieux: " Don't overestimate me because i look good.."

[sterilizer]

The more I think about it, the less of a chance I give Chavez Jr.

At first my thoughts were that Chavez Jr is too big, tall, and vs a JMW-MW he will hit hard like he did to Martinez although his rally fell short, and Lee (TKO). So I gave him a chance vs Canelo.

But then I think about it, guy walks around maybe 190+, and pretty much has to train hard to come down to 164.5, which is an absurd catchweight, why the .5? Why not 165lbs? Anyway, Chavez Jr is just weight training, there's nothing Nacho can do boxing-wise with such a big fighter who's trying to come down so much in weight. Weight is in the front and back of their minds at all times, how much time does JCC Jr realistically have to actually come up with a really good boxing gameplan? How much is he focusing? Not much I think. It's gonna be a flat Chavez Jr getting outboxed by an agile Canelo who's training camp consisted of chilling and working out normall and thinking of ways to outbox Chavez Jr and will have little work to make 164.5.

I think that's EXACTLY what happened to Canelo himself when he had to drain himself to 152 to face Mayweather Jr. His camp and him were more worried about making weight, than actually preparing a strategy for that fight, the most important in Canelo's career.

So in the end, focusing more on making weight than training and strategizing to beat the toughest defensive fighter in this era, along with being too "green," too inexperienced, too naive (taking such a tough fight much earlier than Canelo should have, but money is money), is what made Canelo look totally pathetic in that particular fight. In the weigh-in vs. Floyd he looked like a corpse, it was actually depressing to look at Canelo.

I hope this DOES NOT happen to Chavez Jr. but I doubt it won't, unless he comes at least a couple of pounds heavier than that uber-ridiculous catchweight of 164.5 which I totally agree, IT IS TOTALLY ABSURD, and should have been 165.

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I think that's EXACTLY what happened to Canelo himself when he had to drain himself to 152 to face Mayweather Jr. His camp and him were more worried about making weight, than actually preparing a strategy for that fight, the most important in Canelo's career.

So in the end, focusing more on making weight than training and strategizing tA o beat the toughest defensive fighter in this era, along with being too "green," too inexperienced, too naive (taking such a tough fight much earlier than Canelo should have, but money is money), is what made Canelo look totally pathetic in that particular fight. In the weigh-in vs. Floyd he looked like a corpse, it was actually depressing to look at Canelo.

I hope this DOES NOT happen to Chavez Jr. but I doubt it won't, unless he comes at least a couple of pounds heavier than that uber-ridiculous catchweight of 164.5 which I totally agree, IT IS TOTALLY ABSURD, and should have been 165.

The fact that the 5'9" cash cow of boxing is fighting a giant who has his entire career feasted off lil mw bums,means that this cw of 164.5 is more than fair,he last fought @ 167 so he basically only needs to lose a lil over a lb,as if he comes in @ 165.4 he wont get penalized. Jacobs a true mw is only a 1/2" bigger than gigi & all the gggroupies say is that he was weight bullied by a cruiserweight,well chavez a natural lhw has a 4" advantage & is only having to lose 1.5 lbs, its rediculous to say hes being weight drained when the other guy is jumping up 10 lbs than hes ever fought @,& regardless of what moron g fans say canelo has never weighed more than 174 in a fight & is already@ a huge disadvantage,this nonsense claiming that a guy who had almost 5 mos to lose 1.5 lbs is being drained is just that NONSENSE.

[-Kev-]

I think that's EXACTLY what happened to Canelo himself when he had to drain himself to 152 to face Mayweather Jr. His camp and him were more worried about making weight, than actually preparing a strategy for that fight, the most important in Canelo's career.

So in the end, focusing more on making weight than training and strategizing to beat the toughest defensive fighter in this era, along with being too "green," too inexperienced, too naive (taking such a tough fight much earlier than Canelo should have, but money is money), is what made Canelo look totally pathetic in that particular fight. In the weigh-in vs. Floyd he looked like a corpse, it was actually depressing to look at Canelo.

I hope this DOES NOT happen to Chavez Jr. but I doubt it won't, unless he comes at least a couple of pounds heavier than that uber-ridiculous catchweight of 164.5 which I totally agree, IT IS TOTALLY ABSURD, and should have been 165.

Canelo went down 2 pounds less than what he was used to. Chavez Jr last fought at 168, he has to come down 4.5lbs from his last fight, twice as much as Canelo did for Mayweather.

Canelo and the fans wanted Mayweather to fight him. He was too green using the hindsight bias but back then it was being seen as a guy Mayweather will duck.

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Canelo went down 2 pounds less than what he was used to. Chavez Jr last fought at 168, he has to come down 4.5lbs from his last fight, twice as much as Canelo did for Mayweather.

Canelo and the fans wanted Mayweather to fight him. He was too green using the hindsight bias but back then it was being seen as a guy Mayweather will duck.

Mayweather was the same height as canelo,& had already fought @ 154 multiple times before thats the difference here.