Does Al Haymon deserve more credit?

[stiff_back]

Doe, only a handful of fighters get the lion share of the purses. If you're someone like Salka, you're likely to end up in the emergency room and get billed most of your earnings, which is only around 4% of what guys like Garcia get. Quillin got $1 mil for fighting Zerafa, who left the ring on a stretcher. What Haymon has been doing is not only bad for the sport, but dangerous -- showcase his main fighters fighting nobodies, then pay them large sums of money. Quillin hasn't fought for more than a year now.

Salka got paid $125K, he wasn't forced to take the fight this was obviously a very big payday for him. I'm not saying there aren't criticisms of Haymon that are valid (in fact I said the opposite) just that he's fixed one of the biggest problems that existed in boxing history.

That's a typical selfish fan's mentality when you talk about Quillin not fighting in more than a year. The dude got KTFO, was slurring his speech months after the fight so took a year away from getting punched in the head. Now he's back in the gym rebuilding, he's got a new trainer and (maybe) a new weight class, and you're complaining he hasn't fought because he doesn't need the money? I'm glad he doesn't need to get in the ring for financial reasons.

I think he does in the sense that his model eliminates the promoter from the equation, which in many ways is a good thing. Obviously his model pays the fighters more because it increases his cut as the manager.

That argument doesn't work: If he wanted to he could have been one of those rip off promoters, or, one of the many managers before him who worked with the promoters to rip guys off.

[Kigali]

I think he does in the sense that his model eliminates the promoter from the equation, which in many ways is a good thing. Obviously his model pays the fighters more because it increases his cut as the manager.

That's not true.

It came out in the Oscar lawsuit that MANY times Al Haymon WAVES his managerial fee.

[stiff_back]

I want to see good fights. I don't wish poverty or dementia on the participants, but my viewing pleasure takes priority. I do think there should be protections in place for boxer health & that they don't get ripped off.

When there is a good PBC fight I watch. When its mediocre (and lately they have been garbage) I don't.

I'll reserve "credit" and admiration for people doing more important things in this world

But the point is they have been getting ripped off. That's what happened to most guys were before Haymon came along. The truth is that you probably don't care about that at all.

[SensFullViolenc]

But the point is they have been getting ripped off. That's what happened to most guys were before Haymon came along. The truth is that you probably don't care about that at all.

Like my original post says, there should be systemic protections (both health & financial) for boxers. Relying on the "good-heart" of individuals wont cut it.

As far boxing promoters, no I don't care who treats boxers better or not. I care to see good fights. And honestly, that's mainly what all boxing fans care about.

And I don't necessarily accept your reporting of Haymon's good heart w/o a grain of salt. But I wont quibble with it, bc I don't care.

[al-Xander]

Salka got paid $125K, he wasn't forced to take the fight this was obviously a very big payday for him. I'm not saying there aren't criticisms of Haymon that are valid (in fact I said the opposite) just that he's fixed one of the biggest problems that existed in boxing history.

What exactly did he fix? You make it sound as if all of his fighters are getting huge pay days. I even told you about how dangerous mismatches are. Go watch Zerafa almost getting killed by an angry Quillin.

That's a typical selfish fan's mentality when you talk about Quillin not fighting in more than a year. The dude got KTFO, was slurring his speech months after the fight so took a year away from getting punched in the head. Now he's back in the gym rebuilding, he's got a new trainer and (maybe) a new weight class, and you're complaining he hasn't fought because he doesn't need the money? I'm glad he doesn't need to get in the ring for financial reasons.

I see that you're only concerned about the well being of fighters on top. Point is nobody is forced to take boxing as a career. They can always find another job. This is a business not charity. If you're concerned about their well-being, go and raise funds for them.

[stiff_back]

What exactly did he fix? You make it sound as if all of his fighters are getting huge pay days. I even told you about how dangerous mismatches are. Go watch Zerafa almost getting killed by an angry Quillin.

What he fixed is fighter's pay. Not only are Haymon's fighters making lots of money, so are Bob Arum's guys like Tim Bradley. Do you think after 30 years in boxing Arum suddenly decided it was time to pay guys fairly? NO! He had to do it so they didn't go to Al.

Haymon fixed fighter's pay.

^Remember that^

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying the mismatches are good, but earning more gives fighters more power to protect their own health which is a good thing.

I see that you're only concerned about the well being of fighters on top. Point is nobody is forced to take boxing as a career. They can always find another job. This is a business not charity. If you're concerned about their well-being, go and raise funds for them.

In the end, this is why Haymon doesn't get credit. I've seen this attitude from more than one person on this thread. If you don't make good fights you're not the fan's friend, if you do anything else that's good - they don't care. Boxing is a sport where the participants put more on the line than any other sport, but the fans care the least about their well being in return.

[Raonic]

If it wasn't for him, so many fighters wouldn't be such divas about their purse.

And it's not like guys are being paid "fairly". Most people think his guys are overpaid. See Danny Garcia.

[Scipio2009]

Doe, only a handful of fighters get the lion share of the purses. If you're someone like Salka, you're likely to end up in the emergency room and get billed most of your earnings, which is only around 4% of what guys like Garcia get. Quillin got $1 mil for fighting Zerafa, who left the ring on a stretcher. What Haymon has been doing is not only bad for the sport, but dangerous -- showcase his main fighters fighting nobodies, then pay them large sums of money. Quillin hasn't fought for more than a year now.

The Zerafa fight was almost two years ago! you played yourself

[mozzer101]

I've been thinking about it, for about 70+ years of boxing history, fighters had been consistently ripped off by promoters/ managers. Al Haymon comes along and single-handidly transforms the game, so that even old promoters have to pay their fighters properly.

You'd think if the sport didn't have such cannibalistic fans, this would be hailed as a pretty remarkable legacy, even if you had other criticisms of him. Instead, all some fans and writers say about him is that he allows fighter to get paid too much.

But as a change from the last 70 years, isn't that overall a pretty great thing? Shouldn't some of his positive contributions be mentioned alongside the bad?

Not really, Had he built PBC without ripping gbp I would give him all the credit.