Comments Thread For: Spike's TV Deal With Premier Boxing Champions Has Ended

[DinoCop]

huge difference. PBC not on Showtime are fights that PBC actually produces and pays for themselves. Showtime fights are basically Haymon fighters fighting on Showtime like they did BEFORE PBC was created. They are paid by Showtime and Showtime just being nice by throwing up a PBC banner to help Haymon promote his brand. But it's really not PBC and if PBC folds they just take down the banner and Haymon keeps sending his fights to Showtime like any other promoter would send fights to HBO/Showtime.

The reason you see less and less PBC fights on NBC, FOX, ESPN ect is because PBC pays for the air time and pays to produce these fights that lose money. PBC on Showtime is just Haymon getting money from Showtime per fight which is the same model that existed before PBC. That's why all his fighters going back to showtime PBC running out of money and can't afford to pay for their own fights even though they ALREADY bought the air time to do so on other networks

thx mate, to both of you.

[bigdunny1]

What PBC really has to worry about is investors suing the holding company trying to go after what's left of the money. The pipe dream over a year ago of NBC, ESPN, FOX, SPIKE all creating a bidding war to pay a 100m PBC TV deal is dead. Spike is out, NBC and ESPN for all practical purpose is out is well. The plan was put PBC on all these networks draw massive ratings create huge stars, monopolize boxing and create a UFC like brand that networks would all bid hundreds of millions for the rights to air. Ratings have been weak, they built no stars and they can't even afford to air fights on the buy time. The networks now just want the money they owed and waiting until their contracts are over to cut ties with PBC. Haymon will be fine if PBC folds as he still has assets in Boxing. But he sure robbed those investors blind.

[sicko]

You're a fool.

MMA's biggest star is trying to get a boxing license....and others are following.

I don't see boxing's biggest stars moving over to MMA.

Think before you type next time.

Proving my point even more as to WHY MMA is the better investment for a Network like Spike right now because the fighters salaries are Cheaper to Pay! So not only are their Salaries Cheaper but Bellator also draws better ratings than PBC Consistently

[GMAN SUPREME]

U do realize what ur rooting for is bad for boxing fans right?

lol only for pbc fan girls.

[Biolink]

You're a fool.

MMA's biggest star is trying to get a boxing license....and others are following.

I don't see boxing's biggest stars moving over to MMA.

Think before you type next time.

MMA IS a better investment in America as far as the networks are concerned. They pay those guys pennies and the ratings are generally better

[bigdunny1]

Per fat boy dan's Friday chat

QUESTION: With PBC now doing greatly less shows what will that do to Haymon's stable of fighters? You can't get everyone on Showtime with limited dates and budgets.

Dan Rafael, The Boxing Guy 2:49 PM ET
Very good question. It is probably only a matter of time until some fighters are released. Hard to keep 200-plus fighters active when the number of TV dates is now a fraction of what it was less than two years ago.

[original zero]

Oh, right. MILLION OF PEOPLE ARE NOW WATCHING BOXING THANKS TO AL HAYMON. Fleeting moment of success based on a few fights that people have already forgotten about - or do you think those watchers will now stick with boxing?

Well we now have a two year case study that proves millions will tune in if you put a big fight on network TV. Before PBC, many in television doubted it was possible. Now we know it is.

We also now have a two year case study that proves a big fight on network TV will do a better ratings than UFC does on network TV. Before PBC, many in television doubted that was possible. Now we know it is.

So when UFC signs a new TV deal next year and PBC attempts to sign a TV deal next year, it's not outrageous to believe PBC has a legitimate shot at getting a TV deal that exceeds the HBO budget.

And if MILLIONS ARE WATCHING, then I guess you believe boxing in America is healthy? The PBC model is succeeding? Because the state of boxing in America represents the success (or not) of the most powerful man in American boxing - Al Haymon.

Whether you label US boxing as being "healthy" or "unhealthy," the fact is that more are watching than have watched in decades, big fights are back on network TV for the first time in decades and the most powerful man in US boxing cares more about the long term health of the industry than he cares about short term profit.

Those are huge shifts. US boxing has a much brighter future than it's had in a very long time.

[OnePunch]

So when UFC signs a new TV deal next year and PBC attempts to sign a TV deal next year, it's not outrageous to believe PBC has a legitimate shot at getting a TV deal that exceeds the HBO budget.

Wow, how quickly things change. You have gone from basically GUARANTEEING that PBC will get a 9-figure content deal, no problem, to using words like "attempts" and "legitimate shot".

What happened? Did you finally figure out there was not going to be a PR position at PBC in your future? Why the sudden reality check?

[original zero]

Wow, how quickly things change. You have gone from basically GUARANTEEING that PBC will get a 9-figure content deal, no problem, to using words like "attempts" and "legitimate shot".

You're lying. $100 million a year in rights fees was certainly the goal when this started and they may achieve it at some point, but I've been consistent that it's impossible to know what the number will end up being when the time comes, but it was realistic to expect something exceeding $50 million. Which greatly surpasses what HBO currently spends on boxing.

What happened? Did you finally figure out there was not going to be a PR position at PBC in your future? Why the sudden reality check?

You create these scenarios in your head that don't exist because you're completely delusional and consumed by bitterness.

Haymon has convinced CBS/Showtime to spend more than they've ever spent, with increases every single year. The key is to get Fox to pony up a similar amount. We'll see next year if it happens or not. Until the industry sees how the UFC deal plays out, the rest of the dominoes can't fall.

[OnePunch]

You're lying. $100 million a year in rights fees was certainly the goal when this started and they may achieve it at some point, but I've been consistent that it's impossible to know what the number will end up being when the time comes, but it was realistic to expect something exceeding $50 million. Which greatly surpasses what HBO currently spends on boxing.




You create these scenarios in your head that don't exist because you're completely delusional and consumed by bitterness.

Haymon has convinced CBS/Showtime to spend more than they've ever spent, with increases every single year. The key is to get Fox to pony up a similar amount. We'll see next year if it happens or not. Until the industry sees how the UFC deal plays out, the rest of the dominoes can't fall.

lol yeah, I'm delusional and bitter. And thats because I am capable of critical thinking and knew that no network would ever pay 9 figures for content that they currently get for free? Or is it because I think that if someone blows $500 million and all they have to show for it is "controlling" a $30 million or so per year budget, its really a colossal FAILURE of epic proportions? then yes, I guess I'm bitter. LOL.

Im just not sure what it is Im supposed to be bitter about?