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  • Bardock
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    #71
    Originally posted by bigdunny1
    FACKKKK..... Lil G exposed lol

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      #72
      Originally posted by Randall Cunning
      How many promoters do talk about negotiations? Cant recall hearing about negotiation specifics from the UK promoters, or PBC fights for that matter, normally it comes out after the fights are confirmed.
      True. Good point. Oscar is the promoter throwing out numbers all the time like he's the Vince McMahon of boxing. Let him pull out this alleged $15M contract since he's one of the promotional outlier with pushing forth his financial moves.

      Plus shooting down all the nutty sh^t Oscar says would be a full time job for anyone lets quit acting like he's not prone to this type of behavior.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Eff Pandas
        Fat Dan is reverse Arum. Yesterday he was telling the truth. Today he's lying. But yea this.

        And Tommy L doesn't seem to talk specifics very often, for better or worse, but he's changed nothing in how he operates. And Oscar hasn't changed anything...he's still pulling stuff outta his ass to get things going his way as best he can. Hence why I don't believe him to be dumb enough to offer a 200k PPV guy $15M/Gtd.

        I mean ffs there is a story up right now where Oscar is saying Canelo vs Chavez Jr is going to be like Morales vs Barrera. Okkkkkkkkkkaaaaaayyyyyyy Oscar.
        Canelo is also a 250k ppv guy when he fights nobodies... so don't misjudge that.

        You think that GGG vs Cotto wouldn't sell well? You think GGG vs Mayweather wouldn't sell a lot too?

        When Canelo sold well it was because he fought against high profile fighters. When he didn't the sales dropped badly to between 250k and 300k.

        GGG vs Canelo wasn't called the biggest fight in boxing last year just because. It really was at that time. So GGG deserves some credit, there's something in him that is not present on Canelo vs... Liam smith.

        So from that POV, Golovkin deserves at least a 30 or 35% of the split.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          Don't you think $15M/Gtd is a great offer for any 200k B-side PPV guy no strings attached?

          I think Floyd only got a $10M/Gtd offer for Oscar & he had better PPV results + he had more talent + had some intangibles to help make the fight bigger in most peoples minds & which he ended up doing cuz that was Oscar's biggest fight of his career. Granted that was a decade ago, but I don't see that inflation has jumped THAT much, but maybe I'm incorrect.

          And why didn't he jump on it? Cuz you can't jump on something that was never legit offered to you is my theory until I've seen it proven that it was a legit offer.



          Yea I'll do that right after you list all the times Tommy L has discussed numbers in the media previously before a fight got made.



          An 8 digit offer & $15M might be the same thing I can't argue with you there, but it also might be $5M & 50% higher an offer too you can't argue with me there either is the thing.
          An offer being too good for you to believe is not proof the offer isn't real! 15m all depends on how much Golden Boy believes the PPV would do. I do think a Canelo/GGG fight was a safer bet for Golden Boy a year ago then it is now that GGG/Jacobs flopped so badly. Which is why you take the offer that was on the table they phuking idiots for passing because his stock went down. I think it's as simple as GGG camp priced themselves out. They gambled on GGG being a bigger star then he really is. If Oscar said he gave a 8 digit offer and someone came out saying no Oscar is lying and it's a he said she said type thing I can understand calling Oscar out on this one. But when GGG entire camp goes silent when Abel cant seem to shut up about anything and Loeffler has come out speaking on other details and reports why not this one? GGG doing interviews saying I want 50/50 deal it's clear to me this offer was real and these idiots passed up thinking a better deal was coming because they really think GGG is a superstar too bad the PPVs for Jacobs fight killed all that. Now they look like fools and got their fangirls trying to argue it's not real when Loeffler ain't even doing it.

          Got you saying the offer wasn't real for no other evidence then I think it's more then GGG is worth. yet GGG out his own mouth says I want 50/50 his team have proven they are delusional and don't have pulse on what he's worth. He making 2m and turning down 8 digit offers. LMAO

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            #75
            Originally posted by Eff Pandas
            True. Good point. Oscar is the promoter throwing out numbers all the time like he's the Vince McMahon of boxing. Let him pull out this alleged $15M contract since he's one of the promotional outlier with pushing forth his financial moves.

            Plus shooting down all the nutty sh^t Oscar says would be a full time job for anyone lets quit acting like he's not prone to this type of behavior.
            And yet Loeffler didn't call his bluff and accept 15m or expose him to the media with a "fake" offer. Name one time he's been accused of making an offer for fight and then the rival promoter saying it was lie? Meanwhile I literally listed multiple example of Loeffler being exposed as a liar just within the last year. Just because you don't think the fight is worth that much don't mean the offer wasn't real. And damn sure doesn't prove Oscar is lying. But I can prove Loeffler a liar and I can prove that Loeffler has NEVER once denied the amount nor anyone else in the GGG team.

            Saunders called Loeffler's bluff him and warren accepted every demand even agreed to go to Kaza phuk stan if needed to make the fight. But GGG couldn't call Oscar's bluff on this so called fake offer that they admitted to receiving? GTFO

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              #76
              bigdunny smacking all the ggg-strings in here lol

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                #77
                Originally posted by _Maxi
                Canelo is also a 250k ppv guy when he fights nobodies... so don't misjudge that.
                Idk about 250k, but for sure Canelo is in that 400k-ish range lately. Lets put it in full context too doe. Canelo does 400k-ish vs some of his least competitive & lesser known opponents & GGG can't get 200k for some of his best & most known opponents.

                GGG vs Canelo wasn't called the biggest fight in boxing last year just because. It really was at that time. So GGG deserves some credit, there's something in him that is not present on Canelo vs... Liam smith.

                So from that POV, Golovkin deserves at least a 30 or 35% of the split.
                No doubt it was & probably still is the biggest fight in boxing. I'm just not confident it can sell 1.5M PPV's which is the range where $15M/Gtd for the B side numbers might make more sense to throw around.

                Only 8 fights in PPV boxing history have gotten 1.5+ buys & I'm not confident GGG has enough pull in the PPV market to get them to that number & if Canelo can even get to 2/3's of the way to that number as the A side is still a legit question in the air.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by bigdunny1
                  And damn sure doesn't prove Oscar is lying. But I can prove Loeffler a liar
                  Go look at the last 20 stories about Oscar on this site. I'd bet at least a 3rd of them are lies, bs hype or misdirection. I don't got the time to list all of Oscar's bs he's so known for it. Oscar is so used to bsing people he gots that confidence in being right despite being wrong thing going on ffs brother. I suspect Oscar believes everything that comes out of his own mouth.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Eff Pandas
                    Idk about 250k, but for sure Canelo is in that 400k-ish range lately. Lets put it in full context too doe. Canelo does 400k-ish vs some of his least competitive & lesser known opponents & GGG can't get 200k for some of his best & most known opponents.



                    No doubt it was & probably still is the biggest fight in boxing. I'm just not confident it can sell 1.5M PPV's which is the range where $15M/Gtd for the B side numbers might make more sense to throw around.

                    Only 8 fights in PPV boxing history have gotten 1.5+ buys & I'm not confident GGG has enough pull in the PPV market to get them to that number & if Canelo can even get to 2/3's of the way to that number as the A side is still a legit question in the air.
                    Canelo vs Smith sold about 250k and GBP announced 300k. That's not 400ish. Showtime announced 300k PPV buys for Canelo vs Lara.

                    The fight with Khan was 400ish but Khan is a high profile fighter. Against Angulo, again 300k max. Kirkland I believe was on free HBO.

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                      #80
                      Alvarez likes fighting at the theatre, MSG. "Sells out" 4000 seats! He does even better at the theatre if it's against a Brooklynite.

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