Comments Thread For: Weekend blowout seals the deal: Lomachenko is P4P's best man

[New England]

P4P lists should be about skills + resume.

Otherwise you can have a Lucian Bute type high on the list just because he looks good against overmatched opponents.

lucian bute was hardly fighting guys in the top 10. he was out of hte SS tournament, and unable to fight ht ebest SMW in he world. when he did fight them he lost. lomachenko has done much better than that. he's also very obviously got much more skill and ability. bute just had power. we saw his limitations against andrade, and lo and behold he fought froch and those limitations were exposed. lomachenko isn't going to fight a carl froch and get exposed. teh guy had almost 400 amateur fights and he's the most talented boxer on the planet right now. he would have toyed with froch if they were the same size, and you know it.


nobody worth his salt had bute p4p #1, lul. plenty of learned boxing people think lomachenko is the best fighter on the planet right now. frankly i don't think it is all that close. that kid can ****ing fight. let the rest of them hash out #2.


eye test is an inherent part of a p4p list, and it is the most valuable. resume? ok, compare the resume of fighters in completely different weight classes without using an "eye test" to evaluate the ability of their opponents.

[BlackSoul]

there you idiots go again trying to downplay salido. most of those of those losses came when salido was just staring out as a teenager he turned pro at 15.

he lost to juan manuel marquez(24 when he fought jmm), cristobal cruz(28 when he fought cruz), yuriokis gamboa(30 years old then), & mikey garcia(at 33 whom he also got knocked down 4 times in that fight) so tell me how what you said makes ANY sense.
lomachenko fought salido when he was 34 years old and been through MANY WARS and still lost to him but he's the p4p #1 fighter in the sport right? FOH

[BlackSoul]

he lost to juan manuel marquez(24 when he fought jmm), cristobal cruz(28 when he fought cruz), yuriokis gamboa(30 years old then), & mikey garcia(at 33 whom he also got knocked down 4 times in that fight) so tell me how what you said makes ANY sense.
lomachenko fought salido when he was 34 years old and been through MANY WARS and still lost to him but he's the p4p #1 fighter in the sport right? FOH

& also on top of that lomachenko lost to salido at the age of 26 but he was 396-1 in the amatuers(thats two gold amateur championships 8 YEARS he's been on that particular level so that cant be used as an excuse he's seen the style before and the rough tactics enough to deal with them. and he still lost i had the fight 7-5 for salido.

[BillyBoxing]

russell was a highly touted PROSPECT at the time they fought, nicolas walters beat an already defeated nonito donaire who got beat by Guillermo Rigondeaux. i liked nicolas walters BUT when i examine his resume i gotta take issue with who he actually beat its a SOLID NAME but NONE of those people was lineal, unified and walters had one belt i believe
he lost to orlando salido who had like 12 LOSSES at the time he fought lomachenko how can this NONSENSE even be justified.

By the fact that he fought a world champion in his second pro fight???

Listen, get that ANTI euro white fighters agenda out of here.

Let's face it, boxing has been taken over by euro estern and third world countries fighters.

Your best afro american fighters are Ward and Thurmann and they half white LOOOOL.

If you can't stand euro fighters being the top dogs in the sport I suggest you to chose another sport because it will get worst for you.

You just have to check the last olympic champ...

[BillyBoxing]

& also on top of that lomachenko lost to salido at the age of 26 but he was 396-1 in the amatuers(thats two gold amateur championships 8 YEARS he's been on that particular level so that cant be used as an excuse he's seen the style before and the rough tactics enough to deal with them. and he still lost i had the fight 7-5 for salido.

And let me guess you had Jacobs and Ward winning?

Are white punches harder to score?
Might be some new trend of colour blindness.

[BillyBoxing]

lucian bute was hardly fighting guys in the top 10. he was out of hte SS tournament, and unable to fight ht ebest SMW in he world. when he did fight them he lost. lomachenko has done much better than that. he's also very obviously got much more skill and ability. bute just had power. we saw his limitations against andrade, and lo and behold he fought froch and those limitations were exposed. lomachenko isn't going to fight a carl froch and get exposed. teh guy had almost 400 amateur fights and he's the most talented boxer on the planet right now. he would have toyed with froch if they were the same size, and you know it.


nobody worth his salt had bute p4p #1, lul. plenty of learned boxing people think lomachenko is the best fighter on the planet right now. frankly i don't think it is all that close. that kid can ****ing fight. let the rest of them hash out #2.


eye test is an inherent part of a p4p list, and it is the most valuable. resume? ok, compare the resume of fighters in completely different weight classes without using an "eye test" to evaluate the ability of their opponents.

P4P is about the eye test mostly.

Resume is about greatness or HOF.

Usyk doesn't have the best record in the CW division but is IMO the best P4P material in that division.

GGG being 160 might have a better P4P level than Froch had at 168, but Forch has a better record than GGG.

Thurmann has a better record than TC IMO, hands down.

Garcia, Porter, Collazo, Quintana, Guerrero is superior IMO to Burns, Postol, Gamboa (at 135), Molina and Jean.

But I do think TC is a better P4P fighter, at the end of the day, it's all about the eye test.

[pasawayako]

yes he is the lb4lb best.

[BlackSoul]

By the fact that he fought a world champion in his second pro fight???

Listen, get that ANTI euro white fighters agenda out of here.

Let's face it, boxing has been taken over by euro estern and third world countries fighters.

Your best afro american fighters are Ward and Thurmann and they half white LOOOOL.

If you can't stand euro fighters being the top dogs in the sport I suggest you to chose another sport because it will get worst for you.

You just have to check the last olympic champ...

what are they actually "taking over"? Terence Crawford is top 3 p4p Guillermo Rigondeaux is top 5 bc HE IS THE MOST FEARED FIGHTER IN ALL OF BOXING

let me ask you, who is lomachenko's FAVORITE fighter growing up?

[BlackSoul]

And let me guess you had Jacobs and Ward winning?

Are white punches harder to score?
Might be some new trend of colour blindness.

well im not alone in either there's plenty of ppl who back what i say in both i had jacobs winning 114-113
& ward 114-113

[ShoulderRoll]

lucian bute was hardly fighting guys in the top 10. he was out of hte SS tournament, and unable to fight ht ebest SMW in he world. when he did fight them he lost. lomachenko has done much better than that. he's also very obviously got much more skill and ability. bute just had power. we saw his limitations against andrade, and lo and behold he fought froch and those limitations were exposed. lomachenko isn't going to fight a carl froch and get exposed. teh guy had almost 400 amateur fights and he's the most talented boxer on the planet right now. he would have toyed with froch if they were the same size, and you know it.


nobody worth his salt had bute p4p #1, lul. plenty of learned boxing people think lomachenko is the best fighter on the planet right now. frankly i don't think it is all that close. that kid can ****ing fight. let the rest of them hash out #2.


eye test is an inherent part of a p4p list, and it is the most valuable. resume? ok, compare the resume of fighters in completely different weight classes without using an "eye test" to evaluate the ability of their opponents.

You didn't know that Froch was going to crush him like that until after the fact. Nobody predicted that. Up until then Bute was still viewed as an elite fighter in his weight class.

And that's my point, there are many examples of guys who appear special to the eye. But it's not until they prove themselves over time that we can be sure how special.

So I stand by my opinion, P4P should be based on skills plus who you have proven those skills against. Lomachenko is off to a good start in both areas but I'm not going to elevate him to the top just yet.