Rigo was/is way more overhyped than Lomachenko

[Madison Boxing]

rigos cv is absolutely terrible, i have no idea why people still have him high on there p4p list... walters destroyed rigo's best win....

[bojangles1987]

While it's true that the sport has done Rigo few favors since he beat Donaire, Rigo himself has made terrible decisions which kept him from ever overcoming the HBO blackballing. He could be in better position now than he is, but he has played a significant role in falling off like he has.

[SUBZER0ED]

I am saying that HBO blackballing him and the subsequent negativity has made people not want to watch him. IMO if you put him in with good comp, the exciting will happen, just like it did in the donaire fight.

Well, I can't control if someone doesn't come to fight.

I wasn't saying you preferred excitement, just saying I'm ok with it and will not criticize you for it if in fact you do.

Why does he need to be a cash cow? You can have great fights among guys that are not big earners. I'm not asking that he headline a card, just use resources to give him the fights we as fans want to see.

Of course it sounds silly when you word it like that. That said, this isn't far from what happened. he seemed to get punished. I get his lack of english, being from cuba, and his style makes for a tough sell if you are marketing the fighter instead of the fight.

Of course the main issue is what is being sold. If HBO was selling boxing, I'd think rigo would have a place on the network because when matched with top guys he would put on an exciting fight. of course those guys generate money so they aren't going to take on a high risk, low reward guy like rigo.

That's the real reason Rigo isn't a bigger star. Not because he's being punished, IMO. He is not a consistently entertaining fighter & thus not considered a money maker. And as another poster mentioned, he's small & 36, which is old for a small fighter.

[Lester Tutor]

So, you're saying that if HBO & it's affiliate call Rigo boring, but he really isn't, that no one else with any clout will step up, call BS & build him up? I don't believe that.

You said yourself that two well-matched, skilled fighters equals excitement, though we know that is not always the case, read Mayweather vs Pacquiao.
I'm not sure how you drew the conclusion that I favor a mismatch over a good, competitive fight.

I just can't believe that if HBO saw a potential cash cow in Rigondeaux, that it would have called itself screwing him because he embarrassed their intended star, Donaire. Imagine: HBO execs before the Donaire vs Rigondeaux fight, "This should be a great showcase of our next Philipino star, when he beats a highly-skilled Cuban fighter!" Then after the fight, "Aww hell no! that Cuban beat our next Philipino star badly! We'll never make the kind of money we were hoping to with Donaire! This Rigondeaux guy is an awesome fighter & we could make a mint off him, but fuck that! We'll make sure he never amounts to anything! We'll say he's boring and everyone will believe us & not give him a chance! That'll teach him!" See how silly that sounds?

You're leaving out an important piece of the equation. You can't just say HBO without citing Top Rank. The same Arum that said Mayweather ''he's a great defensive figther, nobody wants to watch a defensive fighter.'' Basically Rigo affected Top Rank's stock value in Donaire. It really has nothing to do with HBO. However I'll admit Rigo on the undercard for Cotto vs Alvarez was funny as fck my dad and brother said ''wtf is dis shıt'' so in theory corporate goes with the casual POV...

However, Kellerman and Roy were praising Rigo schooling Donaire on HBO. They are commentators representing HBO's brand of boxing. Kellerman literally said, ''if you're a boxing purist this is great to watch, but it's not for everybody.'' Did Max just change his opinion in the sports world? Because RJJ has been heated in saying what the sport needs is Rigo vs Loma. How is RJJ wrong as a significant commentator for HBO Boxing and the fact he was a platform star. If didn't matter then wtf is Leonard doing on PBC broadcasts?

What's worse is HBO doesn't respect RJJ's opinion. I bet Lampley has a big say in it. TBH, if I were running HBO I'd fire Lampley to restrategize ''rebrand'' its commentary. I mean fans have already acknowledged it going down hill. Why isn't there some theory that boxing fans have gotten tired of Lampley? Let's be real, the dude ain't great. Rather hear Al Bernstein an Leonard on a dual cast than RJJ and Lampley, and it saddens me to say that because I like to hear Roy. He knows what he's talking about.

I mean Rigo got two Golds. If his style was ''boring'' then the Olympic committee should've just said 'yo, in the history of boxing being televised we want to preserve unique styles from the amateurs and we feel your style is not entertaining. We'll just give your the medals. You don't have to compete...because you're boring.''

[New England]

nonito donaire is a sure fire hall of famer and he was one of the planet's best fighters when rigondeaux embarrassed him. in that fight you have to consider what it looked like in addition to the result. the result was a win over one of the best boxers in the world, and who had gone through several weight classes since his upset W over a peaking vic darchinyan. and then you had the fight itself and how it looked. that was one of the best performances of recent memory. rigondeaux is a master counterpuncher and boxer. donaire was the perfectly aggressive and powerful opponent to show off what rigondeaux could do.

if you can't take one look at one round of that fight and tell me that rigondeaux wasn't a special fighter you have no idea what you are talking about. none. that's called the eye test. some people just don't ****ing have it, so they discredit it. ask any trainer or fighter if that guy could ****ing fight in his prime.



now, the argument that a man is grandfathered in as a pound for pounder on the strength of one legitimately great win half a decade ago is false. that's not how a p4p list works, either. you ahve to consider the recent track record and the ability the fighter is displaying right now. rigondeaux has not been consistent enough with his level of comp and performance to warrant a long term spot on the list.

[New England]

That's because Rigo is not getting the opportunities.

His own Promoter back-stabbed him by using the media to cut him down.

Put Rigo in there with some sh(t fighters while the HBO crew shamelessly blows him..and he'll be where Loma is.

Arum threw him under the bus....Walters too.

"arum blacklisted rigondeaux"

-some of the dumbest people you'll ever speak to.


people flooded out of arenas when rigondeaux fought. other than the 50 bsceners who pretended to like the fight, virtually everybody will tell you that rigondeaux-agbeko is one of the most boring sporting events they've ever seen.

is that the kind of monumental mismatch you're looking for, clownery? you foot the bill if you want to see that fight. pay the 750000 dollar license fee. go on. you can make a ton of money, right? he's super popular, right? arum is just blacklisting the guy because he doesn't like him.


bob arum doesn't want to make money, guys

just get off of the internet and stop broadcasting your ******ity. i'm worried that you're a troll and you're pulling a fast one on me, which makes me look and feel like an idiot.

[New England]

While it's true that the sport has done Rigo few favors since he beat Donaire, Rigo himself has made terrible decisions which kept him from ever overcoming the HBO blackballing. He could be in better position now than he is, but he has played a significant role in falling off like he has.

the guy just needed to take risks and dish out punishment in the tradition of pro boxing. everything else would have fallen into place if he didn't fight like he did. the guy turned pro as a completetly grown man and was either unable or unwilling to adapt to pro boxing and what was required of a fighter to continue to get on TV and make the money these guys make.

[SUBZER0ED]

You're leaving out an important piece of the equation. You can't just say HBO without citing Top Rank. The same Arum that said Mayweather ''he's a great defensive figther, nobody wants to watch a defensive fighter.'' Basically Rigo affected Top Rank's stock value in Donaire. It really has nothing to do with HBO. However I'll admit Rigo on the undercard for Cotto vs Alvarez was funny as fck my dad and brother said ''wtf is dis shıt'' so in theory corporate goes with the casual POV...

However, Kellerman and Roy were praising Rigo schooling Donaire on HBO. They are commentators representing HBO's brand of boxing. Kellerman literally said, ''if you're a boxing purist this is great to watch, but it's not for everybody.'' Did Max just change his opinion in the sports world? Because RJJ has been heated in saying what the sport needs is Rigo vs Loma. How is RJJ wrong as a significant commentator for HBO Boxing and the fact he was a platform star. If didn't matter then wtf is Leonard doing on PBC broadcasts?

What's worse is HBO doesn't respect RJJ's opinion. I bet Lampley has a big say in it. TBH, if I were running HBO I'd fire Lampley to restrategize ''rebrand'' its commentary. I mean fans have already acknowledged it going down hill. Why isn't there some theory that boxing fans have gotten tired of Lampley? Let's be real, the dude ain't great. Rather hear Al Bernstein an Leonard on a dual cast than RJJ and Lampley, and it saddens me to say that because I like to hear Roy. He knows what he's talking about.

I mean Rigo got two Golds. If his style was ''boring'' then the Olympic committee should've just said 'yo, in the history of boxing being televised we want to preserve unique styles from the amateurs and we feel your style is not entertaining. We'll just give your the medals. You don't have to compete...because you're boring.''

Let's cut to the chase here. If someone, anyone with clout believed that Rigo has the goods to make them a boat load of money, they'd go for it. They'd do whatever it takes to get that paper; buy out his contract, promote the hell out of him, ect.