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  • SeekDaGreat
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    #11
    Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
    He seems ambitious which is great to see a fighter want to test himself with the best but realistically how far up in weight can he go?

    He only had two fights at 130 and one of them was with a fellow 126lber who moved up.

    At 126 he rehydrated to 136 when he moved up to 130 he still only rehydrated to 136, i think in the Walters fight he was 137. With Sosa he was his heaviest ever and only 139. Mickey on the other hand i think rehydrated to 150 i believe. If Salido was 147 at fight night and that was seen as to much. If he goes up there are some big guys in 135, Mickey might even be the smallest. Flaggan and Easter are big LW's in size and weight.

    If he wants to make history and challenge himself fine, but he just moved up from 126, he should imo establish a linage and become lineal at 130.
    My guess is that he started out killing himself to make weight, in order to gradually move up to a more comfortable, normal weight. I think he can easily go up to and compete at the highest level all the way up to WW. If not WW then undoubtedly 140.

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    • Dagomba
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      #12
      Yeah he's still young, he can fight one more year at 130 easy. Berchelt and jezreel corrales to unify.(Gervonta is not really an option) **** he can even fight mexican veterans like Salido, Vargas or Jhonny gonalez. Even Miura to build on his resume.
      Get more experience under that belt and then aim for 135. Looking at Garcia next could be trouble IMO.

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      • RetroSpeed05
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        #13
        Originally posted by SeekDaGreat
        My guess is that he started out killing himself to make weight, in order to gradually move up to a more comfortable, normal weight. I think he can easily go up to and compete at the highest level all the way up to WW. If not WW then undoubtedly 140.
        I dont think so 140 might be to much. watch some of his amateur fights at 132 he looked 2 weight divisions smaller when he fought the cuban fighter and that Brazilian fighter. Its impressive he was winning. I checked some of his wsb fights where he looked small and heres one with a kazak fighter, wonder if he would able to keep off a fighter the same size but better in skill.

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          #14
          Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
          I have no problem with that, if Loma feels he could do that thats his chocie. Im saying he just got to 130, people assume he would just be the same at 135 and i dont think thats true. Before the Sosa fight 130 was a great hot division and now after it seems everyone feels different about 130 which is wrong maybe loma is that much better and division is really good. He still has other 130 title holders to fight. i wanna see him fight Corrales witch would be for the lineal i think since he beat Uchiyama or Berchelt who seems to be arguably the hardest puncher at 130.
          130 is an ok division but Uchiyama is gone now, Corrales beat a shot fighter and Loma would whip the feather fist...other than there's not much until LSC or Frampton move up.

          But I would have no problem with him unifying at 130 and becoming lineal but there are better fights against better matched opponents at 135 in Linares and Mikey imo. If thats what Loma wants, he should go for it.

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            #15
            Rehydrating 9lbs at 130 is actually quite normal. A small SFW would be someone like Floyd, who would rehydrate 3-4lbs. Then at 135 he would come in at 138lbs, vs 147lb Castillo. That's small.

            139lb fight night weight at SFW is normal, I would say not small and not big, just right.

            If he is really great, greater than Floyd as some are saying, then being at a weight disadvantage of 10-15lbs is something he'll be able to deal with and should embrace it and just make it the norm and win on points.

            If Lomachenko was 139lbs vs Mikey's 150lbs, that would be 11lb weight disadvantage. If he's really great, that's doable.

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            • -PBP-
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              #16
              Thinking too long term. Just enjoy what you see him do at 130 and worry about the bigger guys when the time comes.

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                #17
                Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
                He seems ambitious which is great to see a fighter want to test himself with the best but realistically how far up in weight can he go?

                He only had two fights at 130 and one of them was with a fellow 126lber who moved up.

                At 126 he rehydrated to 136 when he moved up to 130 he still only rehydrated to 136, i think in the Walters fight he was 137. With Sosa he was his heaviest ever and only 139. Mickey on the other hand i think rehydrated to 150 i believe. If Salido was 147 at fight night and that was seen as to much. If he goes up there are some big guys in 135, Mickey might even be the smallest. Flaggan and Easter are big LW's in size and weight.

                If he wants to make history and challenge himself fine, but he just moved up from 126, he should imo establish a linage and become lineal at 130.
                The hang-up with that is that Lomachenko is signed with Top Rank, and will likely stay tied to Top Rank at least through when he's 34/35.

                Mayweather Promotions' Gervonta Davis has one of the belts and Zanfer Promotions' Miguel Berchelt has one of the belts. Jezreel Corrales is there as an option, but I don't know what HBO's interest in that matchup is possibly like.

                With Lomachenko now apparently being a $1m fighter, Bob Arum is basically going to target fights that he can control and site fees.

                Lomachenko physically tops out at lightweight, but the money isn't really there for any of the fights at 130lbs (especially if Arum isn't willing to give up the show)

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by -Kev-
                  Rehydrating 9lbs at 130 is actually quite normal. A small SFW would be someone like Floyd, who would rehydrate 3-4lbs. Then at 135 he would come in at 138lbs, vs 147lb Castillo. That's small.

                  139lb fight night weight at SFW is normal, I would say not small and not big, just right.

                  If he is really great, greater than Floyd as some are saying, then being at a weight disadvantage of 10-15lbs is something he'll be able to deal with and should embrace it and just make it the norm and win on points.

                  If Lomachenko was 139lbs vs Mikey's 150lbs, that would be 11lb weight disadvantage. If he's really great, that's doable.
                  Floyd stared at 19 so he had time to grow his man body, Loma is 29 and might be maxing out now which why i wondering if he could get a little more heavier, Floyd was strong on the inside, with Loma facing a bigger guy that will pressure i wanna see if hes strong enough get around that. Especially as you get older your athleticism starts to go as you go up i don't think that's a good idea.

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                  • -Kev-
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by RetroSpeed05
                    Floyd stared at 19 so he had time to grow his man body, Loma is 29 and might be maxing out now which why i wondering if he could get a little more heavier, Floyd was strong on the inside, with Loma facing a bigger guy that will pressure i wanna see if hes strong enough get around that. Especially as you get older your athleticism starts to go as you go up i don't think that's a good idea.
                    Even in his 30s Floyd rehydrate 2-3lbs though.

                    It's doable if he's really great. Regardless of where he started or what age he is.

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                    • Scipio2009
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by redmish
                      The difference is that he is good enough to be the smaller man and still win. He very rarely gets hit clean. His last two performances have been outstanding in my opinion and I think he could go as far as 140 and still win titles. We need the Garcia fight to happen because that will be special.
                      He fought Nicholas Walters after he'd been off for over a year (two fight after Walters had already begun with the weight struggles) and Jason Sosa; don't get too far ahead of yourself.

                      Put him in there with Jorge Linares, or even Anthony Crolla, before running off with walk about a fighter, who walks into the ring 137lbs on fight night, winning a world title at 140lbs (arguably giving up 20 pounds on fight night to every of the top 15 fighters at the weight)

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