If boxers can get good money and fight a style that takes the least damage

[-PBP-]

And how many fighters does this apply to? Who are the boring fighters that are making good money at this time?

It's not necessarily about "boring fighters" it's about fighting in a way that gets you the win despite the demands from the crowd for more blood and action.

Keith Thurman
Wladmir Klitchko
Andre Ward
Terence Crawford
Erislandy Lara
Timothy Bradley
Mikey Garcia
Carl Frampton

They have all fought tactical, conservative fights and have been criticized by fans at some point for being "boring" and not engaging. But they also have their share of high action fights when either 1) they were able to score the knockout or 2) their opponent forced them to engage.

Frampton/Quigg was criticized for being a borefest (until the later rounds) but it was in Frampton's best interest to fight a smart/tactical fight. Keith Thurman had the meatheads hyping him up for all those years when he was knocking out lower level opposition but once he made it to the top, fought stiffer opposition and has seen a drop in his KO%, he has been labeled "Run-time". Well guess what, "Run-time" is the #1 welterweight in the world right now and has numerous multi-million paydays in front of sold out crowds in his future.

The most logical path to a long, successful career in professional prize fighting is WINNING. If you have an outgoing personality and can attract the TMZ/Casual crowd than its a double bonus. But it's been proven over and over again that the winners make the most money in boxing and have the longest and most successful careers while the most exciting fighters create nothing more than temporary sparks.

[boxinghead530]

It's not necessarily about "boring fighters" it's about fighting in a way that gets you the win despite the demands from the crowd for more blood and action.

Keith Thurman
Wladmir Klitchko
Andre Ward
Terence Crawford
Erislandy Lara
Timothy Bradley
Mikey Garcia
Carl Frampton

They have all fought tactical, conservative fights and have been criticized by fans at some point for being "boring" and not engaging. But they also have their share of high action fights when either 1) they were able to score the knockout or 2) their opponent forced them to engage.

Frampton/Quigg was criticized for being a borefest (until the later rounds) but it was in Frampton's best interest to fight a smart/tactical fight. Keith Thurman had the meatheads hyping him up for all those years when he was knocking out lower level opposition but once he made it to the top, fought stiffer opposition and has seen a drop in his KO%, he has been labeled "Run-time". Well guess what, "Run-time" is the #1 welterweight in the world right now and has numerous multi-million paydays in front of sold out crowds in his future.

The most logical path to a long, successful career in professional prize fighting is WINNING. If you have an outgoing personality and can attract the TMZ/Casual crowd than its a double bonus. But it's been proven over and over again that the winners make the most money in boxing and have the longest and most successful careers while the most exciting fighters create nothing more than temporary sparks.

Out of that list only Rigo, Lara are the one who really dont take damage and are boring as hell. And they dont get fights and are not getting paid. So Larrys theory doesnt apply to them.

Ill say Wlad is boring as hell but dude is prone to getting KO'd and has a vulnerable style.

The rest of the guys on your list are not boring(at least on the level that people cant stand to watch them) and all are known to take damage.

So beside Rigo and Lara,who are not huge money earner or very active fighters, who are the fighters out there who are boring and dont take damage and are getting paid? Id say no one.

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Out of that list only Rigo, Lara are the one who really dont take damage and are boring as hell. And they dont get fights and are not getting paid. So Larrys theory doesnt apply to them.

Ill say Wlad is boring as hell but dude is prone to getting KO'd and has a vulnerable style.

The rest of the guys on your list are not boring(at least on the level that people cant stand to watch them) and all are known to take damage.

So beside Rigo and Lara,who are not huge money earner or very active fighters, who are the fighters out there who are boring and dont take damage and are getting paid? Id say no one.

Lara and Rigo have made over millions of dollars in their boxing careers. And they got there by fighting to win.

Your problem is the inability to distinguish between "boring fighters" and "boring fights". Every top fighter has been in a high action fight. But when the level of opposition goes up, and the opponent's become smarter, they have to be more careful with their approach.

Every guy I listed has been criticized at some point for not taking enough risks and if you want specific quotes I can locate them for you.

[GhostofDempsey]

The most logical path to a long, successful career in professional prize fighting is WINNING. If you have an outgoing personality and can attract the TMZ/Casual crowd than its a double bonus. But it's been proven over and over again that the winners make the most money in boxing and have the longest and most successful careers while the most exciting fighters create nothing more than temporary sparks.

Can't say I agree. Winners AND exciting fighters make the most money in most cases. Winning alone isn't enough. Floyd was an exception to the rule for several reasons. Ask Lara and Rigo about their biggest pay days thus far, or even Ward for that matter. While they may have made a few million, they aren't going to earn much more unless they can get fights with big names. Given their styles, they can't get those fights, so they've dug their own graves.

It's also about who you pair yourself against and at what juncture of their career. If you can latch on to a big name when he is past his prime, you can benefit from the publicity and share the wealth. Most people never heard of Charley Burley, a great defensive fighter, but he bored the fans to tears and wasn't good for television, so he never got a title shot or made any big money. The only thing that has changed since then is fighters who can cash in on their persona and hype. Back then you couldn't run your mouth and be a clown, there was sportsmanship and respect for one another.

Years from now when fans and the general public look back on the greatest fights of all time, they won't be discussing any of Mayweather's or Ward's fights. Sports and boxing is entertainment, and the business of boxing today demands that fighters posses more flash than substance, either that or they better be producing knockouts.

[al-Xander]

Very contradictory thread from a member of the anti-GGG federation of fanboys. So, in essence they're now saying GGG shouldn't give a **** about these fanboys telling him to move up and fight the #1 p4p. Oh well... Another mind-boggling thing for normal fans like me is why do these clowns who claim to be fans of the sport hate entertaining fighters, but love boring ones? We all know that if boxers are all of the Lara, Rigo, Mayweather types this sport would be dead. This site would probably be non-existent in the first place. I saw fights like SRL vs Hearns, etc., when I was a young kid, and those what attracted me to the sport.

Hit and not get hit doe. Sweet science. Don't worry, casual fans who comprise 90% of the sport's fanbase will pay the bills. We hardcore fans can just stream for free. Doe.

[SplitSecond]

Its too much to ask that ***ing fighters, ***ing fight now. We're just paying to see the guys we support win anyway, that's why constant clinching, buying the refs, and robberies are ok.

I dont know when it suddenly became impossible to fight and be responsible defensively. Goes to show the level of these guys.

[-PBP-]

Can't say I agree. Winners AND exciting fighters make the most money in most cases. Winning alone isn't enough. Floyd was an exception to the rule for several reasons. Ask Lara and Rigo about their biggest pay days thus far, or even Ward for that matter. While they may have made a few million, they aren't going to earn much more unless they can get fights with big names. Given their styles, they can't get those fights, so they've dug their own graves.

It's also about who you pair yourself against and at what juncture of their career. If you can latch on to a big name when he is past his prime, you can benefit from the publicity and share the wealth. Most people never heard of Charley Burley, a great defensive fighter, but he bored the fans to tears and wasn't good for television, so he never got a title shot or made any big money. The only thing that has changed since then is fighters who can cash in on their persona and hype. Back then you couldn't run your mouth and be a clown, there was sportsmanship and respect for one another.

Years from now when fans and the general public look back on the greatest fights of all time, they won't be discussing any of Mayweather's or Ward's fights. Sports and boxing is entertainment, and the business of boxing today demands that fighters posses more flash than substance, either that or they better be producing knockouts.

Rigo and Lara are terrible examples because they have a language barrier and a are from countries that do not support them. If Rigo was William Riggins from Brooklyn New York he would be much more accepted. Exciting Cuban fighters such as Luis Ortiz and Yuriorkis Gamboa are suffering from the same issues as Rigo and Lara. Yet Rigo and Lara have still made a ton more money and have been on bigger stages than they have.

Charlie Burley came up in an era with hostile race relations and did not have the platform to promote himself like today's fighters do. Another poor example.

Pernell Whitaker (although he blew it on *******), Mayweather, Bernard Hopkins, Wlad and Andre Ward have made millions of dollars in their boxing careers. And they achieved the financial success and ring accomplishments by winning.

You're criticizing the paydays of Rigo, Lara and Ward but fail to mention the paydays of Provodnikov, Francisco Vargas, Lucas Matthysse, John Molina Jr., Kamegai, James Kirkland, Glen Tapia, Mike Alvarado, Brandon Rios, Kryztof Glowacki, Fonfara, Khurtsidze, Adrian Granados, Ivan Redkach, Rocky Martinez, and other action fighters that have been in barnburners over the past several years.

Where have these guys been lately? What are the paydays in heir recent fights looking like? Did being in fight of the year candidates help them out in the long term?

[boxinghead530]

Lara and Rigo have made over millions of dollars in their boxing careers. And they got there by fighting to win.

Your problem is the inability to distinguish between "boring fighters" and "boring fights". Every top fighter has been in a high action fight. But when the level of opposition goes up, and the opponent's become smarter, they have to be more careful with their approach.

Every guy I listed has been criticized at some point for not taking enough risks and if you want specific quotes I can locate them for you.

Lara and rigo are boring fighters in boring fights. I love a good boxers who can box a guys ears off. But difference between you and I, after that boxer has boxed a guys ears off for the majority of the fight. I want that fighter to step on the gas and go for the KO. And rigo and Lara don't do that.

As far as then making millions. I agree they probably have grossed a million or two or three in their careers. But i guarantee you there bank accounts don't have over a million.

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Lara and rigo are boring fighters in boring fights. I love a good boxers who can box a guys ears off. But difference between you and I, after that boxer has boxed a guys ears off for the majority of the fight. I want that fighter to step on the gas and go for the KO. And rigo and Lara don't do that.

As far as then making millions. I agree they probably have grossed a million or two or three in their careers. But i guarantee you there bank accounts don't have over a million.

Why is that even important? What they do with their money after the fact is on them. Does Ruslan Provodnikov or John Molina Jr. have a million in the bank?

We all have our preferences and I respect that. But until somebody can show me a correlation between fighting style and earnings, it's all speculation.

Now winning and earnings? How can you even argue against that?

[TonyGe]

The best way to avoid damage is easy fights. If "**** everything else", then why shouldn't fighters take easy fights to preserve their health? The principle is the same - fighters do what is best for them, with no regard for the fans. Fans ain't gonna look after them when they are old, so why shouldn't GGG go on the hunt for more Monroes and Wades?

You can also flip that around. Fans want what's best for them with no regard for the fighters.