Comments Thread For: Golovkin's Promoter Updates on Status of Billy Joe Saunders Fight

[observer]

does anyone still listen to this clown ?

blah blah spin bullshht name-drop lies.....

LMAO

My thoughts exactly. The article is called 'promoter updates on status'. What update was that exactly? That he's talking to people as opposed to not talking to them?

SMH...

[angkag]

Yep. Yes indeed.

Hagler fought: Mustafa Hamsho, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, John Mugabi, Vito Antuofermo, Roberto Duran, Benny Briscoe, Alan Minter and many more. Mugabi was the Mike Tyson of the middleweights...a very scary guy.

Golovkin fought: Jacobs and ???

He's fought The Ring rated number 2 and 3 already (Jacobs, Lemieux), and is in negotiations to fight The Ring lineal champion and No 4 (Canelo and Suanders). Who tf else is he supposed to fight ?

If the MW division sucks, why blame Golovkin for that ? He can only fight the guys who are there.

Oh wait, he's supposed to jump weight and take on bigger guys, just like Hagler and Monzon did right ? ok.

[13777]

sitchu ass down loeffler u know u cant get away without giving that boy jacobs a reematch!!

jacobs messed up golvkins face with ease,,most ppl saw jacobs winning

Most people including the judges saw GGG winning. And it was Jacobs' face that was messed up, he had to wear huge sunglasses to hide the damaged eye.

Makes me think you didn't watch the fight or post-fight interviews and recaps. This place is full of trolls

[Shadoww702]

Where is onepunch at to defend Loeffler for doing negotiations through the media???

[The Time]

I've beat the drum forever for how pointless and meaningless GGG's belt quest is. His fans aren't gonna change my mind into believing that this nonsense is meaningful. I'm also never gonna convince the GGG faithful that this isn't some legendary quest this dude is supposedly on. I assume that as most mature as fight fans, they'll eventually realize that it isn't that big a deal.

That said, most post isn't to stir that pot. My post is really trying to gather information. My question is, when exactly did the WBO belt become meaningful enough to be deemed necessary in the "undisputed" equation? There was a time in the late 80s and early 90s, my adolescent and teen years, where I was really into the belts. I could tell you every beltholder in boxing. And in those days, all you needed to be considered undisputed was the WBC, WBA, and IBF. My first recollection of the WBO was when Ray Mercer fought Tommy Morrison. And that was even kinda seen as them hyping a fake belt for the great white hope. And even has recently as the early 00s, Tsyzu-Judah was considered for the undisputed jr welterweight title, without the WBO. Hopkins-Trinidad was for the undisputed middleweight title, with the WBO. The only fighter in the last two decades, outside of GGG of course, to hold the WBC, WBA, IBF trifecta and not be given the "undisputed" label was Roy Jones at light heavy. And that was mostly because Darius Mickelshcki was the lineal champ, not because he held the WBO belt. For all my knowledgeable fight fans out there. When did the WBO belt become relevant enough where an established, universally recognized Champion such as GGG. Who holds the WBC, WBA, and IBF belts. Needs a bum like Billy Joe Saunders to become undisputed, just because he has the WBO strap?

Many years ago it was just one belt which had a different name, then the WBA belt was establised first and then the WBC came soon after. They came in during the early 60's, the WBA is the oldest boxing organization. Years later in the early to mid 80's the IBF became recognized and then it was the WBC, WBA and IBF. In the early 2000's like 2003, 2004 is when the WBO was recognized and it then became the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO. Even though the WBO was in existence since 1988 before they recognized it as a major sanctioning body. I remember when Wladimir Klitschko had the WBO belt and Naseem Hamed back in 2000, 2001. But they looked at the WBO as a lightly regarded belt. My earliest recollection of when the WBO became regarded as a major sanctioning body was when Cotto beat Pinto in 2004 to become the WBO Jr. Welterweight Champion. The IBF used to be in the same situation of becoming recognized but didn't take as long as the WBO. In the early to mid 80's the IBF eventually became a major sanctioning body as well.


Don't look now, but it looks like the IBO may be starting to pick up some steam now in becoming a major sanctioning body. I seriously and certainly hope not. 4 is enough, Lol.

[The Time]

He's fought The Ring rated number 2 and 3 already (Jacobs, Lemieux), and is in negotiations to fight The Ring lineal champion and No 4 (Canelo and Suanders). Who tf else is he supposed to fight ?

If the MW division sucks, why blame Golovkin for that ? He can only fight the guys who are there.

Oh wait, he's supposed to jump weight and take on bigger guys, just like Hagler and Monzon did right ? ok.

Good post, and there were some other ranked fighters in the top 10 he fought that were ranked in the top 10 at the time. Also some fighters avoided him. I admit that it was a mistake for the mentioning of anyone from 154 to 168, when they mentioned they wanted to unify the 160 division. But it's all good. Good post and fact pointing on your part.

[Verus]

He's fought The Ring rated number 2 and 3 already (Jacobs, Lemieux), and is in negotiations to fight The Ring lineal champion and No 4 (Canelo and Suanders). Who tf else is he supposed to fight ?

If the MW division sucks, why blame Golovkin for that ? He can only fight the guys who are there.

Oh wait, he's supposed to jump weight and take on bigger guys, just like Hagler and Monzon did right ? ok.

Sometimes it is the luck of the draw. Hagler, et. al. fought during a golden age of boxing. Hagler and Monzon did not have to move up in weight to find top notch competition, but tons of HOFers did. Golovkin has choices with the hand he has been dealt. If he wants more money and acclaim, he will have to move up in weight. If not he and his fans should accept the fact that he will not be as highly regarded as they would like.

[angkag]

Sometimes it is the luck of the draw. Hagler, et. al. fought during a golden age of boxing. Hagler and Monzon did not have to move up in weight to find top notch competition, but tons of HOFers did. Golovkin has choices with the hand he has been dealt. If he wants more money and acclaim, he will have to move up in weight. If not he and his fans should accept the fact that he will not be as highly regarded as they would like.

Very true. Given how Jacobs handled him, where size played a part, the su****ion is he might not do so well vs 168 lbers. Reminds me of Abraham who was a beast at 160, even one of the favourites in the super six, but got totally dominated by Froch among others.

eg a 168 match-up with Jacobs and I think Jacobs takes it. He could probably beat a few of the top 10 at 168, but not all.

Meantime his legacy can only be defined by getting all the belts to be 'unified, undisputed', and that might be all he's got, forever tainted by the level of the opposition during his day.

[mick1303]

Very true. Given how Jacobs handled him, where size played a part, the su****ion is he might not do so well vs 168 lbers. Reminds me of Abraham who was a beast at 160, even one of the favourites in the super six, but got totally dominated by Froch among others.

eg a 168 match-up with Jacobs and I think Jacobs takes it. He could probably beat a few of the top 10 at 168, but not all.

Meantime his legacy can only be defined by getting all the belts to be 'unified, undisputed', and that might be all he's got, forever tainted by the level of the opposition during his day.

History will put everything in perspective. Once the careers of all the fighters, who are Golovkin's contemporaries will be over, it shall be easier to make a judgement weather or not the division was really weak. Later down the stretch maybe there will be more objective look on what is more important - becoming undisputed champion in one weight or jumping divisions, but never becoming undisputed in any of these divisions. As of now the narrative is heavily influenced by Mayweather/Pacquiao fans.

[aboutfkntime]

Yea, because Jacobs was wearing shades.....

aaah, the fashion test

how cool

look at the faces of the following participants, and tell me who won the fight.....







is it still acceptable to use the fashion test ?

is the bruise test less silly than using compubox ?