Comments Thread For: Roach: I've Changed My Mind, Golovkin CAN'T Beat Andre Ward!

[Mr Objecitivity]

Ward knocks him out period.

Like how he knocked out Alexander Brand or Sullivan Barrera?

A guy with a 50% KO percentage (included against lighter than self opponents and poor quality opposition) is somehow going to KO a boxer that has never even been dropped in nearly 400 fights (amateur and pro included), never mind knocked out. Andre Ward is the last boxer that I would bet on to KO GGG.

In a bout where the official marquees rules are 100% enforced and if the bout takes place in a neutral arena, with everything being 100$ neutral, both GGG and Sergey Kovalev would stop Andre Ward.

[Cinci Champ]

If you believe everyone, then they've both been guilty of making it not happen. As it stands there is 15 lbs of difference on weigh in day and I can't see who is going to budge. Golovkin would be a very small LHW.

i half believed that until ward fought kovalov. ggg has yet to take even half as big a risk as that

[Mr Objecitivity]

i half believed that until ward fought kovalov. ggg has yet to take even half as big a risk as that

It's not as 'risky' when one is competing in their home country (Andre Ward) with officials favoring them and skewing / modifying the rules temporarily to favor them (Andre Ward). Let Andre Ward fight either GGG or Sergey Kovalev in a neutral country with consistent rules / standards, then I'll accept it as something 'risky' for Andre Ward.

As it stands, GGG coming over to USA, competing in a foreign land, earning new fans in a foreign land, whilst having to learn a new language in a foreign land, whilst regularly competing against local fighters is riskier than anything Andre Ward has done in his career.

Can you imagine Andre Ward having to move over to a foreign land, leaving his hometown and competing in a totally foreign land whilst adapting to the foreign environment like GGG has?

[aboutfkntime]

It's not as 'risky' when one is competing in their home country (Andre Ward) with officials favoring them and skewing / modifying the rules temporarily to favor them (Andre Ward). Let Andre Ward fight either GGG or Sergey Kovalev in a neutral country with consistent rules / standards, then I'll accept it as something 'risky' for Andre Ward.

As it stands, GGG coming over to USA, competing in a foreign land, earning new fans in a foreign land, whilst having to learn a new language in a foreign land, whilst regularly competing against local fighters is riskier than anything Andre Ward has done in his career.

Can you imagine Andre Ward having to move over to a foreign land, leaving his hometown and competing in a totally foreign land whilst adapting to the foreign environment like GGG has?

what a load of silly dribble

Ward has ALWAYS fought at the highest level, and has not lost since he was a kid..... including all over the world, Olympics, etc..... so he has enjoyed handpicked home-cooking for..... his entire life, has he?

GGG's best opponent is Danny Jacobs and he barely won

what a load of whiny dribble

the tards are getting worse SMH

[Mr Objecitivity]

what a load of silly dribble

Ward has ALWAYS fought at the highest level, and has not lost since he was a kid..... including all over the world, Olympics, etc..... so he has enjoyed handpicked home-cooking for..... his entire life, has he?

GGG's best opponent is Danny Jacobs and he barely won

what a load of whiny dribble

the tards are getting worse SMH

Strawman fallacy! Perhaps actually understand my points before responding?

I happened not to claim Ward hasn't competed at the 'highest level'. Instead, my point was that Ward gets away with performing 'ILLEGAL MOVES' at the highest level against opponents in the pro, such as against Sergey Kovalev, whilst his 'HIGHEST LEVEL' opponents don't. In other words, Andre Ward has a handicapped advantage when competing in USA, particularly in Oakland against other foreign boxers like Sergey Kovalev. That's pretty much a fact!

BTW, GGG has competed in far more INTERNATIONAL amateur tournaments than Andre Ward has. Just something to keep in mind since you've raised the topic of amateur boxing (whilst I was only referring to the pros).

So as long as Andre Ward wins his bouts by using illegal moves (such as ducking below the waist, elbowing, headbutting, excessively clinching and etc.), one will have every justifiable right to be critical and complain.

GGG doesn't cheat by using illegal moves. He is a clean fighter who sticks to the rules of boxing.

[Reloaded]

Strawman fallacy! Perhaps actually understand my points before responding?

I happened not to claim Ward hasn't competed at the 'highest level'. Instead, my point was that Ward gets away with performing 'ILLEGAL MOVES' at the highest level against opponents in the pro, such as against Sergey Kovalev, whilst his 'HIGHEST LEVEL' opponents don't. In other words, Andre Ward has a handicapped advantage when competing in USA, particularly in Oakland against other foreign boxers like Sergey Kovalev. That's pretty much a fact!

BTW, GGG has competed in far more INTERNATIONAL amateur tournaments than Andre Ward has. Just something to keep in mind since you've raised the topic of amateur boxing (whilst I was only referring to the pros).

So as long as Andre Ward wins his bouts by using illegal moves (such as ducking below the waist, elbowing, headbutting, excessively clinching and etc.), one will have every justifiable right to be critical and complain.

GGG doesn't cheat by using illegal moves. He is a clean fighter who sticks to the rules of boxing.

I suggest you get an understanding of Professional boxing at the highest level, there is borderline legal moves that's all a part of pro fighting, the greats of boxing were masters at pushing the boundarys to rough a guy up and throw him of his game, as Hatton said , its not a tickling contest.

As soon as I see fans crying about so called illegal tactics I know they have never boxed in any capacity and its really just a fan crying sour g**** BS.

[aboutfkntime]

Strawman fallacy! Perhaps actually understand my points before responding?

I happened not to claim Ward hasn't competed at the 'highest level'. Instead, my point was that Ward gets away with performing 'ILLEGAL MOVES' at the highest level against opponents in the pro, such as against Sergey Kovalev, whilst his 'HIGHEST LEVEL' opponents don't. In other words, Andre Ward has a handicapped advantage when competing in USA, particularly in Oakland against other foreign boxers like Sergey Kovalev. That's pretty much a fact!

BTW, GGG has competed in far more INTERNATIONAL amateur tournaments than Andre Ward has. Just something to keep in mind since you've raised the topic of amateur boxing (whilst I was only referring to the pros).

So as long as Andre Ward wins his bouts by using illegal moves (such as ducking below the waist, elbowing, headbutting, excessively clinching and etc.), one will have every justifiable right to be critical and complain.

GGG doesn't cheat by using illegal moves. He is a clean fighter who sticks to the rules of boxing.

interesting

what else did Kovalev let " Ward get away with " ?

you make it sound like Ward was in there on his own

Golovkin punches his opponent when they are on the deck

[Mr Objecitivity]

interesting

what else did Kovalev let " Ward get away with " ?

you make it sound like Ward was in there on his own

Golovkin punches his opponent when they are on the deck

This following video on YouTube shows most, if not everything you need to know about the 'dirty tactics' Andre Ward used against Sergey Kovalev and which he uses in general:

TITLED: Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward Film Study: Dirty Tactics ... Precise Presenter


Head butting, bending below the waist, elbowing, coming up whilst ramming with the head, grappling and etc. These are all ILLEGAL MOVES classified as AGAINST THE RULES BY THE MARQUEES QUEENSBERRY RULES OF BOXING.

Read it up on Wikipedia if you may.



GGG has never, to the same extent punched any of his opponents AFTER THEY'VE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN. There's no rule against punching your opponent whilst they're still standing, until the referees commands them to stop punching.

With adrenaline on, a boxer may continue to punch the opponent occasionally whilst his opponent his on the way down to getting knocked down, to ensure the opponent is properly finished and to prevent the likelyhood of the opponent recovering. However, that's a very rare occurrence from GGG. I can barely count on two hands the number of times GGG has done that. On the other hand, I've lost count on the number of times Andre Ward has broken the various different rules, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Not claiming GGG is perfect and doesn't make any mistakes, but instead claiming he doesn't deliberately break any of the rules in a consistent manner like how Andre Ward and Wladimir Klitschko seem to do.

[Mr Objecitivity]

I suggest you get an understanding of Professional boxing at the highest level, there is borderline legal moves that's all a part of pro fighting, the greats of boxing were masters at pushing the boundarys to rough a guy up and throw him of his game, as Hatton said , its not a tickling contest.

As soon as I see fans crying about so called illegal tactics I know they have never boxed in any capacity and its really just a fan crying sour g**** BS.

The argument you're using is an 'appeal to popularity' logical fallacy. Because others have cheated in the past, doesn't make it OK or correct! Others have committed murder in the past, doesn't make it OK now. Others were slave trading in the past, doesn't make it OK now and so forth so on....

'Skillful boxers' don't need to resort to 'non boxing moves' such as grappling, elbowing, head butting and etc. Some of these are wrestling moves, some of these are muay thai moves and some are from various other martial arts. However, they certainly aren't 'boxing moves'. Hence, boxers resorting to such moves can't be classified as 'skillful boxers' as they're not even using 'boxing moves' in the first place.

There are many examples of 'skillful boxers' who don't have to resort to such illegal moves. Vasyl Lomachenko, James Toney (except the occasional bending below the waist), Gennady Golovkin, Manny Pacquiao, Oleksandr Usyk and etc.

When folks like Andre Ward have to resort to such illegal 'non-boxing' moves, it just proves they're boxing skills aren't high enough to compete with just boxing moves alone.

Count the number of times Bernard Hopkins had to clinch Joe Calzaghe due to his incompetent boxing skills as they weren't enough to neutralize Joe Calzaghe so was forced to resort to non-boxing moves. On the other hand, count the number of times James Toney (a true skillful boxer) had to clinch Vasily Jirov in their bout. I can barely count on one hand James Toney had to resort to such non-boxing moves like Bernard Hopkins did against Calzaghe. Why? Because James Toney's 'boxing skills' are good such that he doesn't need to resort to such illegal moves.

[aboutfkntime]

This following video on YouTube shows most, if not everything you need to know about the 'dirty tactics' Andre Ward used against Sergey Kovalev and which he uses in general:

TITLED: Sergey Kovalev vs Andre Ward Film Study: Dirty Tactics ... Precise Presenter


Head butting, bending below the waist, elbowing, coming up whilst ramming with the head, grappling and etc. These are all ILLEGAL MOVES classified as AGAINST THE RULES BY THE MARQUEES QUEENSBERRY RULES OF BOXING.

Read it up on Wikipedia if you may.



GGG has never, to the same extent punched any of his opponents AFTER THEY'VE BEEN KNOCKED DOWN. There's no rule against punching your opponent whilst they're still standing, until the referees commands them to stop punching.

With adrenaline on, a boxer may continue to punch the opponent occasionally whilst his opponent his on the way down to getting knocked down, to ensure the opponent is properly finished and to prevent the likelyhood of the opponent recovering. However, that's a very rare occurrence from GGG. I can barely count on two hands the number of times GGG has done that. On the other hand, I've lost count on the number of times Andre Ward has broken the various different rules, TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

Not claiming GGG is perfect and doesn't make any mistakes, but instead claiming he doesn't deliberately break any of the rules in a consistent manner like how Andre Ward and Wladimir Klitschko seem to do.

nah I'm good

Kovalev should whack Ward with that big rulebook