Three facts that boxing fans must come to terms with

[original zero]

It's due to the fact that Gonzalez lost...has nothing to do with talent. Why would a guy who can't deal with lateral movement without looking like **** after 37 pro fights and 400 or so amateur fights EVER be considered #1 p4p? Plus he's fought 1 ONE B level fighter in his own weight class...people are dumb.

Who is a more dominant champion in their division right now than GGG? Who is a more clear cut #1 in their division right now than GGG?

Yes, people are dumb. Especially you. Listing all these reasons why a boxer isn't any good . . . except they somehow became the undefeated WBC/WBA/IBF unified champion of the world? Must have pretty impressive skills in other areas to overcome the limitations you listed.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Just because you use the word trinkets doesn't change the fact that GGG is the only fighter to hold the three most recognized world championships in his division. The object of a sport is to win the championship.

Nobody is dominating their division more than GGG. Nobody has proven themselves more as the clear #1 of their division than GGG.

GGG has proven he is the definitive champion in his weight class and the undisputed #1 of his division. Mikey Garcia can't make that same claim in his division.

That's a nice inscription to have on your participation trophy to go along with your other trinkets. I'm talking skills, resume, ring IQ. Nobody really checking for Martin Murray, Dominic Wade, Willie Monroe Jr and Curtis Steves when they recieve their HOF ballots. Twenty-nine y/o M. Garcia w/2 years off resume is better than 34 y/o GGG resume. And skillwise Mikey is as complete as they come.

And....he's actually fought in more than one weight class. Ever notice people will say Hagler was a great MW but he doesn't come up on to many ppl all-time P4P list while Leonard does?

And if you want to base it soley on dominating a weight class then Crawford is ahead of GGG. There is no one at 140 who can compete with Crawford. But since he doesn't have all the trinkets you won't acknowledge that

[Metho_4u]

Who is a more dominant champion in their division right now than GGG? Who is a more clear cut #1 in their division right now than GGG?

Yes, people are dumb. Especially you. Listing all these reasons why a boxer isn't any good . . . except they somehow became the undefeated WBC/WBA/IBF unified champion of the world? Must have pretty impressive skills in other areas to overcome the limitations you listed.

Again, p4p is based on who would win a fight if fight X was the same as fighter Z. Lomachenko fuggin SCHOOLS golovkins azz, Garcia, Crawford, Ward, even old Manny schools golovkin. Some of you need to understand the meaning of p4p.

Oh, and if you're trying to claim that golovkin was dominant over jacobs, nice try.

[original zero]

Again, p4p is based on who would win a fight if fight X was the same as fighter Z.

That's the least logical way to determine P4P rankings because if fighter X was the same size as fighter Z, fighter X's speed, power, coordination, etc would be completely different.

It's Chocolatito was 250 pounds for a hypothetical fight with Klitschko, a 250 pound Chocolatito would be nothing like the Chocolatito of reality. So the criteria you've listed is completely ridiculous.

The only logical way to rank fighters pound for pound is to rank them based on who is accomplishing more at their weight and showing the most dominance at their weight. Obviously Artur Szpilka would dominate Floyd Mayweather, but Floyd Mayweather is more dominant and accomplished at his weight than Szpilka is at his weight. Therefore, based on his accomplishments and dominance at his size, Mayweather should be ranked higher, pound for pound, than Szpilka.

There are 17 weight classes. Nobody is dominating their weight class more than GGG right now. He's undefeated. He's the clear #1. He has very recent wins over #2 and #3. He has all 3 of the 3 biggest titles. He rules over his division with an iron fist more than any other fighter does in their division.

Therefore, pound for pound, he is the #1 ranked fighter in the world. It's common sense.

[original zero]

That's a nice inscription to have on your participation trophy to go along with your other trinkets.

Super Bowl is just a trinket.

Olympic gold medal is just a trinket.

World Cup is just a trinket.

World Series is just a trinket.

Stanley Cup is just a trinket.

NBA finals is just a trinket.

Etc etc.

You're an idiot.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Super Bowl is just a trinket.

Olympic gold medal is just a trinket.

World Cup is just a trinket.

World Series is just a trinket.

Stanley Cup is just a trinket.

NBA finals is just a trinket.

Etc etc.

You're an idiot.

All those sports you name have an elimination tournament for the best to face the best. Boxing doesn't. Who's the idiot?

[original zero]

All those sports you name have an elimination tournament for the best to face the best. Boxing doesn't. Who's the idiot?

All of those sports have a dominant league or organization the world recognizes as being able to award the top championship in the sport.

Boxing doesn't. Making it insanely difficult to prove yourself as the clear cut top champion in your division.

But GGG is the champion of the three leading organizations. 17 divisions and only one man holds the three most prestigious championships. GGG.

So when we rank the fighters in all of the divisions to try to determine who has proven themselves more at their size than others have proven at their size, GGG is the clear #1 pound for pound fighter. There is more of a question at lightweight as to who is the clear cut #1 champion than there is at middleweight.

[vaynardevil]

this is very subjective matter, who dafuq would list mikey garcia except some w/e forum members
since chocolito downfall, i think either golovkin and ward is no1 p4p now based on analysts rank

[g27region]

Sorry but beating Mikey's leftovers and losing to Mikey's leftovers don't make you better than Mikey. Once he gets this Linares scalp it won't even be up for discussion

GRJ and Walters weren't Mikey Garcia leftovers and they're the best names on his resume.

At this point, Walters is a better name than anything on Mikey's resume

lol @ Zlaticanin being better name than Walters or GRJ

Kovalev vs. Ward II is unlikely to happen, the fight doesn't make sense, logically and financially, Kovalev has zero chances of winning and the rematch won't be profitable for both sides

[TheCleaner]

my list:

(1) Professional boxing is not a sport, (2) its sporting entertainment. why... (3) Match ups are fabrications of promoters, and (4) ranking authorities do not seem to have to have follow any kind of guidelines beyond 'we like him/his promoter/his sanctioning fees'. (5) There's no tournaments, like in other individual sports like golf and tennis, (6) nor is the prize money you get dependent on the win, but rather just the participation lol. (7) A business decision will 9 times out of 10 determine if a fight happens, (8) regardless of how well competitively matched it is.