Comments Thread For: Jorge Linares Drops, Dominates Anthony Crolla To Repeat

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GIFS: Linares vs. Crolla II - Knockdown

[just the facts]

linares has nothing for mikey that's for sure.

Not so sure about that. In Mikey's toughest test he basically quit.

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So, Chavez Jr has a great heart because he last 12 rounds vs Martinez?

Facts:

-Crolla did a normal effort and had a normal attitude.

-Crolla never tried to do anything different for 12 fu.ckin rounds.

-Crolla was landing shots like a lady.

-The gay trainer of Crolla wanted to quit because his boy had a little cut and was being outboxed like a amateur boxer.

-Linares is not a great puncher, and Crolla never try to trade punches like a real man or force totally the fight, he wanted survive 12 rounds and then cry like a little bi.tch saying sorry to all the patriotic people that paid money to see one of the worst champs of the last years like Crolla.

But ok, you won:

Wowowowowow, what a heart, Crolla did a bloody war, his attitude was crazy, like a gladiator he pushed back Linares, Crolla try all to win the fight, he landed bombs, he was fighting with his face broken.

Anthony "The British Gatti" Crolla.

Lol

It's clear that Crolla was outclassed. And yeah, he should've got up in Linares' face more. As far as I can see, though, Crolla tried his best, and that's what heart means. Giving it your best shot, even when you know you can't win

Crolla is very limited, yes. Mediocre at best... Nowhere near Linares' level, and with a **** trainer too. But I think you're confusing ability with effort. He wasn't able to do the things you ask of him, because of the levels between him and Linares, but he was still there trying even when it was evidently futile. Just 'cos Crolla didn't wade in face first doesn't make him a coward

I presume being taken out on a stretcher is the only to show heart, in your book?? If so, you're a ****ing moron. Just yesterday, here in the UK, there is a 17yr old boxer dead from an amateur fight. This is the truth of the game. There is no need for boxers to take unnecessary beatings.

Crolla was beat and he knew it, he found his level, I don't need to see him KO'd to know he tried his best. Your way of thinking, if I have understood you right, is out-of-place and does not belong in the modern game. Crolla doesn't have to take bombs to prove he has heart

All I'm hearing from you is, "Crolla was not able to compete on Linares level, so therefore he has no heart". You utter mong

If this is all some sort of trolling, well done- you have reached a new level of mastery. For Crolla to get to where he is whilst being such a crap fighter should be proof enough of his heart. 10/10 for effort in my book; let down badly by his lack of finesse and talent

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It would take a long, long time to name the posters who made 99% of that thread worthless, salty junk.

[gmc_rfc_06]

Fair enough.

But the truth is that nobody considered Salido a cheat before the Lomachenko fight (and he had already failed a drug test!). He won the fight and all of a sudden became one of the dirtiest fighters on the planet. Sure he was dirty that night, so was Lomachenko but most people overlooked the non-stop clinching he did for some reason.

Calling him one of the biggest cheats of this generation is quite an exaggeration. Salido is old and faded, he realized he has to use every trick in the book, even if that means using dirty... - I mean veteran - tactics to be competitive against younger and fresher fighters, but in no way he has made a career of being dirty.

I most certainly considered him a cheat before the Lomachenkp fight.

The only guy that truly paid him back for his dirty tactics was Gamboa. Gamboa gladly returned rabbit punches, hit him back low, hit him again on the way down...that's something he should have seen a lot more of throughout the years.

The Lomachenko fight was simply a disgrace to boxing. To talk about Lomachenko clinching is to miss to forrest for the trees. The guy he was fighting didn't even try to make weight, came in the ring as a welter and was literally punching him in the balls every 35 seconds and headbutting him whenever he felt like it. If the ref refuses to stop blatant and intentional low blows, clinching is a way to minimize them.

[Loque-san]

I most certainly considered him a cheat before the Lomachenkp fight.

The only guy that truly paid him back for his dirty tactics was Gamboa. Gamboa gladly returned rabbit punches, hit him back low, hit him again on the way down...that's something he should have seen a lot more of throughout the years.

The Lomachenko fight was simply a disgrace to boxing. To talk about Lomachenko clinching is to miss to forrest for the trees. The guy he was fighting didn't even try to make weight, came in the ring as a welter and was literally punching him in the balls every 35 seconds and headbutting him whenever he felt like it. If the ref refuses to stop blatant and intentional low blows, clinching is a way to minimize them.

You were definitely in the minority then.

Speaking of Salido vs. Gamboa. I don't remember this fight as being particularly foul-filled and I sure as hell don't remember Salido using dirty tactics. Gamboa didn't hit him on the way down, he hit him WHEN he was down and behind the head to add insult to injury. You would think someone as dirty as Salido would take advantage of that to fake an injury. After all Joe Cortez has disqualified fighters for less than that - cf. Soto vs Lorenzo. But no, Salido got up and kept fighting.

If Salido was as dirty as you say, how come has he not been deducted more points in his career. He's not backed by a powerful promoter, far from a superstar, rarely the A-side and surely most referees are more competent than Lawrence Cole.

As far as the Lomachenko fight, you have it backwards. I already adressed your allegations of headbutting. Salido has always fought like that, with his head down, just like he has always rehydrated a lot after the weigh-in. Anyone who has followed his career will tell you that. Was he supposed to change his fighting style to accomodate Lomachenko? There are always at least two sides to every story, for me, Lomachenko is the one who started to clinch non-stop because he couldn't handle Salido's inside game. The holding in that fight was almost as ridiculous as Wlad-Povetkin but Lomachenko escaped criticism because he's a media/boxing fans darling.

I doubt you will make any concessions because your opinion of Salido seems to be set in stone.

[gmc_rfc_06]

You were definitely in the minority then.

Speaking of Salido vs. Gamboa. I don't remember this fight as being particularly foul-filled and I sure as hell don't remember Salido using dirty tactics. Gamboa didn't hit him on the way down, he hit him WHEN he was down and behind the head to add insult to injury. You would think someone as dirty as Salido would take advantage of that to fake an injury. After all Joe Cortez has disqualified fighters for less than that - cf. Soto vs Lorenzo. But no, Salido got up and kept fighting.

If Salido was as dirty as you say, how come has he not been deducted more points in his career. He's not backed by a powerful promoter, far from a superstar, rarely the A-side and surely most referees are more competent than Lawrence Cole.

As far as the Lomachenko fight, you have it backwards. I already adressed your allegations of headbutting. Salido has always fought like that, with his head down, just like he has always rehydrated a lot after the weigh-in. Anyone who has followed his career will tell you that. Was he supposed to change his fighting style to accomodate Lomachenko? There are always at least two sides to every story, for me, Lomachenko is the one who started to clinch non-stop because he couldn't handle Salido's inside game. The holding in that fight was almost as ridiculous as Wlad-Povetkin but Lomachenko escaped criticism because he's a media/boxing fans darling.

I doubt you will make any concessions because your opinion of Salido seems to be set in stone.

Change his fight style for Lomachenko? The headbutting wasn't the main issue, he literally hit him with 50+ low blows. He was punching him in the balls as if they were legal body shots. It was disgraceful.

Always fighting with his head down and lunging forward with it doesn't make it ok. He headbutts, he just gets away with it because it's become expected, like Hopkins got away with hitting on the hip in a clinch...'veteran moves' aka cheating.

Salido-Gamboa had several contentious moments; Gamboa got tired of it and responded. There was headbutts, hitting after the bell, hit him after the knockdown. That's how everyone should deal with Salido if the refs won't.

[Loque-san]

Change his fight style for Lomachenko? The headbutting wasn't the main issue, he literally hit him with 50+ low blows. He was punching him in the balls as if they were legal body shots. It was disgraceful.

Always fighting with his head down and lunging forward with it doesn't make it ok. He headbutts, he just gets away with it because it's become expected, like Hopkins got away with hitting on the hip in a clinch...'veteran moves' aka cheating.

Salido-Gamboa had several contentious moments; Gamboa got tired of it and responded. There was headbutts, hitting after the bell, hit him after the knockdown. That's how everyone should deal with Salido if the refs won't.

I don't think anyone is denying Salido landed a lot of low blows. What bothers me is people sweeping Loma's 80+ clinches under the rug. Both men were dirty, but only one of them has been getting flak.

In one of your previous posts, you said clinching can be be used as a way to minimize low blows, well that's news to me. Something that happens more frequently is hitting your opponent everywhere you can when he holds you to deter him from doing it and that's what Salido did. Fighters become frustrated with excessive holding and they start hitting what is there to be hit while being held: the hips, the groin area, the kidneys, the side of the head - if they can- or the back of the head etc. and I don't blame them.

I like Salido and Gamboa equally. I remember a few controversial moments in this fight:
Gamboa rushes forward, clash of heads, Salido gets cut on the forehead.
Gamboa lands a jab clearly after the bell, Cortez separates both men.
Gamboa lands a rabbit punch on Salido who was down on one knee, rightly gets two points deducted.
However, I don't remember Salido doing anything dirty enough to justify Gamboa's actions.

[gmc_rfc_06]

I don't think anyone is denying Salido landed a lot of low blows. What bothers me is people sweeping Loma's 80+ clinches under the rug. Both men were dirty, but only one of them has been getting flak.

In one of your previous posts, you said clinching can be be used as a way to minimize low blows, well that's news to me. Something that happens more frequently is hitting your opponent everywhere you can when he holds you to deter him from doing it and that's what Salido did. Fighters become frustrated with excessive holding and they start hitting what is there to be hit while being held: the hips, the groin area, the kidneys, the side of the head - if they can- or the back of the head etc. and I don't blame them.

I like Salido and Gamboa equally. I remember a few controversial moments in this fight:
Gamboa rushes forward, clash of heads, Salido gets cut on the forehead.
Gamboa lands a jab clearly after the bell, Cortez separates both men.
Gamboa lands a rabbit punch on Salido who was down on one knee, rightly gets two points deducted.
However, I don't remember Salido doing anything dirty enough to justify Gamboa's actions.

Lomachenko doesn't clinch, it's not part of his style. The only reason he was clinching in that fight was because Salido kept hitting him with low blows every time he got close. One was a direct response to the other, that being Salido intentionally throwing low blows.

If the ref won't stop blatant cheating then you have to do something about it. I would have preferred he just started hitting Salido with low blows in return, but he's not a dirty fighter so opted to try and neutralize it instead.

Your suggestion that Lomachenko was to blame for Salido's cheating is downright ludicrous.

[Loque-san]

Lomachenko doesn't clinch, it's not part of his style. The only reason he was clinching in that fight was because Salido kept hitting him with low blows every time he got close. One was a direct response to the other, that being Salido intentionally throwing low blows.

If the ref won't stop blatant cheating then you have to do something about it. I would have preferred he just started hitting Salido with low blows in return, but he's not a dirty fighter so opted to try and neutralize it instead.

Your suggestion that Lomachenko was to blame for Salido's cheating is downright ludicrous.

You are just rewriting history at this point man. Lomachenko started to hold early in the fight and he initiated most clinches because he wanted to, not as a form of retaliation. Cole even gave him two warnings in round 3 but never deducted a point. Watch this round and tell me what you see. Loma doesn't usually hold, when he has his way, but that night he had to because he lacked the pro experience to handle Salido on the inside.

We are basically arguing which came first: the chicken of the egg, so watch the fight again when you have the time, don't miss the first rounds and we may finish this conversation later.