Rating Jacobs as a fighter

[Ray Corso]

If you have power and have stoppages early in your career you must think that your power will rule as you step up in competition. However that assumption isn't valid most times. Jacobs is a boxer first not a fighter.
Even GGG becomes a boxer as he moves up to more accomplished talents.

In boxings current tiers of skill levels and accomplishments I'd rate Danny as a solid B who can improve.
I rate GGG as a solid A because he can box and fight and adjust however he does not fight well inside and that could be a factor in regarding a more complete dimensional talent.

I do think Danny is the second best behind GGG and Danny could improve.

Ray

[HarvardBlue]

Jacobs is better than I thought he was before Saturday night. I watched a few of his fights prior to Saturday night but I still didn't expect him to perform as well as he did. He has good attributes but he also has a high boxing IQ. You have to give it up to him the way he stepped up his game on Saturday.

[Mammoth]

PBC better keep his momentum going

[BillyBoxing]

Good thread, its nice to see Jacobs actually get some praise. I didn't give him much of a chance before the fight, pretty fast and heavy handed, good technically (threw some nice combinations) but does seem to switch of a little at times and doesn't have the best head movement (GGG was finding him constantly with his jab).

GGG aside I dont see anyone really giving him any trouble at 160 at least at the moment. I would favor Jacobs over the likes of Canelo, lemieux, Saunders etc. Worthy of his place as the second best fighter at 160.

Thanks bro.

Well, Danny and GGG gave us one of the best middleweight fight for a while.

The best one since Pavlik vs JT 1 or even better (that fight was damn good) so almost 10 years.

But the Danny vs GGG fight displayed a higher level of boxing tactics IMO.

Danny's problem is his focus and his defense, he should not allow a shorter man to jab his teeth at will.

Charlo big bro is coming in town too.

I wish we could witness fights and rematches btw those 3 guys, Jermall, GGG, Danny.
Kinda like Frazier, Ali, Foreman...

Don't know if Nelo would like to join the mix.

Oscar testing him against big fellas in Chavez.

[BillyBoxing]

If you have power and have stoppages early in your career you must think that your power will rule as you step up in competition. However that assumption isn't valid most times. Jacobs is a boxer first not a fighter.
Even GGG becomes a boxer as he moves up to more accomplished talents.

In boxings current tiers of skill levels and accomplishments I'd rate Danny as a solid B who can improve.
I rate GGG as a solid A because he can box and fight and adjust however he does not fight well inside and that could be a factor in regarding a more complete dimensional talent.

I do think Danny is the second best behind GGG and Danny could improve.

Ray

Ray, I think Quillin was B, Mora is B too.
Danny steam rolled both of them without a scratch except a flash KD in the first Mora event.

You gonna bring me up that Mora lost to Vera, but I thought he won the rematch and he beat Forrest for the WBC SWW title, drew with Mosley in 2010. So I wouldn't call him a C fighter, even at 160.

So I would rank Danny over B, especially since he fought a "draw" with GGG that you're ranking just like me as a A fighter.
Let's be fair to Danny.

[BillyBoxing]

Good boxing pedigree, good athlete, decent speed, and very respectable power. He is a world level guy for sure.

But I wouldn't get carried away either. The quality of the middleweight division is so-so, that's been the question mark over Golovkin. And for Golovkin himself, Saturday night showed that a traditional weakness of the Soviet Bloc fighters seems to apply to him also, i.e. he struggles with exchanges in the pocket.

Danny's success was mainly in those pocket exchanges where he stepped in, flurried, and stepped out. On the outside Danny was no more than ok. He moved well considering that Golovkin is an excellent stalker, but he wasn't landing many clean shots from range.

Again, he's obviously a good fighter. Going life and death with another world class fighter in Golovkin proves that. But beyond that it's hard to say too much. There just isn't a lot of top notch competition out there for either man to fully prove themselves.

Charlo is moving up, he will be the eye test.

Canelo too, but I think Canelo is too short.

Even GGG look tall next to him.

So unless Canelo bring up some Tysonesk power and speed at 160 I don't see him beating those bigger guys down.

[BoxingFan85]

Among all the chatter(****) on this forum for the past few days, I'm glad someone created a thread to give credit to Danny.. He proved more in the fight than Gennady & surely proved he is a solid fighter.. I never underrated Danny but never rated him at the level I do now because he had not shown it in his past fights or it could be because the opposition were not demanding it..
People try to read too much into a loss, a loss is not a blemish but s stepping stone for young fighters.. I thought Danny would get KO'ed because of the collective body punches by the 10th round, but Danny has got awesome hand speed & the fact that he kept escaping whilst GGG was cutting off the ring shows that he has a good ring presence too..
Even if Danny moves to 168, he can probably win a belt against the current lot.. Something that he should consider in a few yrs..

[Ray Corso]

Ray, I think Quillin was B, Mora is B too.............

I should have rated GGG a A- because a B rating from me is a high mark! I don't rate fighters using their common opponents or any opponents without first evaluating the talent they've shown over at least 6 years as a pro.
There are C+ guys I like and are tough opponents too.
Everyone needs to consider the "current era" and the over all history of the sport. Mayweather was the best of this era in the history of the sport I don't rate him high as a welter at all. He only had 13 bouts!

He didn't fight a draw with GGG, he got out point and he was hurt twice in the bout. He moved away 75% of the bout and sorry thats not winning. A lot of young fans think thats the way to win against the champ but it isn't!
This "fighting off the back foot" is BS when it comes to "taking the title"! Jacobs isn't Mayweather or Benitez and he only engaged with GGG when GGG let off the gas.
I rated Danny second in the world that IS high praise but think he fought a draw he did NOT!

Ray

[BillyBoxing]

Ray, I think Quillin was B, Mora is B too.............

I should have rated GGG a A- because a B rating from me is a high mark! I don't rate fighters using their common opponents or any opponents without first evaluating the talent they've shown over at least 6 years as a pro.
There are C+ guys I like and are tough opponents too.
Everyone needs to consider the "current era" and the over all history of the sport. Mayweather was the best of this era in the history of the sport I don't rate him high as a welter at all. He only had 13 bouts!

He didn't fight a draw with GGG, he got out point and he was hurt twice in the bout. He moved away 75% of the bout and sorry thats not winning. A lot of young fans think thats the way to win against the champ but it isn't!
This "fighting off the back foot" is BS when it comes to "taking the title"! Jacobs isn't Mayweather or Benitez and he only engaged with GGG when GGG let off the gas.
I rated Danny second in the world that IS high praise but think he fought a draw he did NOT!

Ray

I thought GGG won, he clearly outlanded Jacobs in at least 6 rounds, the KD makes it a clear victory IMO, but, we can't ignore the fact that a lot of people/observers thought GGG lost.

I don't think I am the owner of the truth even if I had a couple of amateur fights wich probably allows me to understand a bit more fighters (I have that stress and butterflies in the chest when I watch a fight even by streaming that only a person who ever did step in a ring can have).

I thought GGG showed he's gonna be hard to beat, because he solved a big problem in Jacobs.

Jacobs had the tools to worry GGG:
- Southpaw stance
- A speed
- Solid power
- Footwork

Canelo will bring power and inside game, speed, but his poor footwork and lil size will make a sitting duck wich can be allowed vs triple.


I think GGG being tired allowed Jacobs to come back in the fight, GGG struggles when he passes the 6th round.
While being methodical, GGG waste a lot of energy.

[Ray Corso]

Everyone gets tired chasing guys around the ring.
Theres "movers who are boxing" then theres "runners that are running" Jacobs did some of both just like most boxers these days. No one has taught these guys how to stay close and negate offense. No one knows how to step in and combinate then grab and "walk off" let them go as the ref comes to separate and leave the guy with your jab!!!
Theres some of the "stuff" the greats used to pull off and you don't see that way to eat up time. Today they run!

Not everyone can stay on the outside like Ali and neutralize
an opponent with a jab, you need more but running doesn't get it done. 25% of running is still to much, trainers today are from the late 80's and they have no clue how to teach more than one way to box. Thats life!

Ray